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 The Secret of the Universe is Choice

Presents, a Life with a Plan. My name is Karen Anastasia Placek, I am the author of this Google Blog. This is the story of my journey, a quest to understanding more than myself. The title of this blog, "The Secret of the Universe is Choice!; know decision" will be the next global slogan. Placed on T-shirts, Jackets, Sweatshirts, it really doesn't matter, 'cause a picture with my slogan is worth more than a thousand words, it's worth??.......Know Conversation!!!

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a.  Wednesday, April 20, 2011

The End





In the end it will be the one's who choose to make a choice that will stand.  Freedom of Religion is second to Freedom of Choice.  For when running backwards you collect an unusual view of that which has been taken from you.  For I was left abandoned after I had been stolen.  Looted by the ones who could not see that what they could not have was not theirs to take anyway.


A puzzle, such as this is for me, to put back together such a life of misery and pain is being able to recognize that the pieces of the puzzle that have been broken apart.  The puzzle makes up the picture of the entire piece in whole.  This means that the photo has already been taken. So no matter how puzzled out I may be, I can rely on the fact that there is a picture of me that has not been torn to shreds or puzzled out so to speak. I hope you follow my meaning a bit abstract or rather obtuse I suppose.


Will you stand or will you fall.  The choice is yours not theirs to make.  That is why choice is free and has no cost at all, yet retains the largest cost.  Wrong or right or lack of sight, choice carries the next might.  Not darkness, not night, not even fright can offer such a demand on your life.  Just plainly speaking, it is the simple complexity of life that introduces the impossible as more than possible, it's probability.  

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Saturday, June 7, 2014

Heir Of the Mind Is a Library Kind ~ Engine Checks Mine To Machine

Too All Persons Concerned, The World is the Venue,

a global message that is meant for All Men to have,

what it has been implied that is knot a Value, Tact.


Challenge the Ocean and the Sea has Rose,

look to the Sky and the Clouds have throats,

treat the Environment to no Care and the Environment is erupting,

churn in the Mind of the Envious and Isolation will become you're Lot.


Hardily I go the Game of Life in a Tame,

checking my own balance as the Ride is in itself a Shown,

grow I do in an isolative existence that has been provided and continues to be shoved,

down to the hard Tacks of Truth.





The factor in the factorials prove the path,

stand to fall, fall to crawl, walk to stand, stood it All.


Creation began with a similar Hand,

Cards are the Evolution of the Basics in Pram,

from Rite to Flame with a Bow and Aim,

the Presence begets a Cresting of Same!!


With the thrust of my hand to the Keys of this Land,

it is my stature that will not be remiss in the over Taxing exacts,

these are the profit points to enhance the already happening,

to not be anymore nor any further than the application that it must maintain for the listened.


Translate the Menu to a reflect the Price,

to have endured with patience in a World with no Head,

the Shoulders are the Countries that wish to guillotine the bled, 

where is the Prudence to bring the Commons to stead.


Lacking compares the Past is no Dare,

whether it is a Book or a Movie or the InterNet changes,

the simple must be recognized as the Editors do,

burn books, Censor Movies (Chronicles of Riddick) and Vast you're Mind with Finds.


As passing times for my entire the television is an interesting liar,

love the movies hate the Cuts,

once you have watched in massive too,

to see the best part of a Movie in Keep,

removes the Morals of the story in Plates.


The Matrix explained a Choice of Decide,

but truth be accepted the decision was Hide,

the flush had done happened the trip was the Hell,

for is it the After that you say You're not Well?


Here it's a still theirs is sore knees,

hear is a natural sorting life's pea's,

theirs is the repetitious of eating your freeze,

Hair is an opportunity to know that we bald,

with a Shave or the chance to know it's a Call.

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Sunday, November 8, 2015

Looking Back The Send Is Also A Receipt To Know That The Wind Can Breeze




The born to that sky in stars on the outer wealth of entry to pause of the footprints stream,

rocks on the pebble to shore the sands on the stature of the wave hugging the tides Chart,

as the the sun is a friend touch the Moons embrace on the Evening of the splendid port,

shades to that the speaking of sigh,

lens talking on the steady enter of the horizon,

a day in the said,

it is reality of the barn in a stable,

the ground that Humanity puts Feat to Know of the Breadth in the Galaxy,

a Universe shy to best the ease of Wow look at that Planet on its text.


Streaming Mountains by Valley's bridge to understand Walking,

a colorful Rainbow to enhance the clay,

drawing the Maps of pole,

hands on difference to Walls placed to being found,

loving the water on a the salts to say that shipping has lanes!!


Time coming gently to enjoy the ability to Voice a station on the prime Number,

in its foundation of rein the write on a life in the decision took to key,

as the history shepherd on a tough grown it was the Bell on the Whistle of tone,

the mind to that thought,

no theory just a fact,

it is the honest of a day,

a provision to piece the puzzle to a riddle played.


Solve vent with the Volcano style of steady as it tells of an Exploding theme on the grow,

stretching the spoke to reach the Ocean on land over Sail to procure note on the move,

dawn is the beauty of lights,

eyes are the provisions,

hands the key,

speak the turns,

delivery just a Means of shored,

all in the nature of a beautiful grain.


For without the person on the record it is left to wonder,

is the rise to thunder or Rein on what shades a storm,

that tend to a value of measure,

the purpose put on cadence preference to the bridge,

not leaving interpretation to the crowds of media on scored,

nope its just the Week of a done on the state of article of Noted,

furthermore its the basis of strength that I implore,

mystery leaves raining ducks Geese and shivering Meese,

you know the words familiar but the connection is of Weird,

so I chose the direct port of phone,

today's the marker on A written send,

not some product placement commercial to venue the next big dollar prescription selling for the flame.


I Know my Origin,

I am ready thorough on this Port of Entry,

I know of the counter Tend,

this is the balance beam to say that life is amazing,

that soaring the energy from dimension to planets scene,

that landing of up and running,

the mortal body of the foot to dance on the shock.


Raw is humanity to the discussion of such dead ends,

never have I witnessed such denial of life itself on the mile,

people perpetrating death like the inch to a tile,

that valve turned like the rust drink,

nails that say to crutch the file,

no account just dump on the next bile.


Grimm are the Fairy Tales that teach of the loaded Forests,

groves of learns to conversation on the burns,

pots boils rings and rose ease,

read purple violets to touch the classics in opera on ballet,

swans symphony to instrument the misery with a touching Romeo and Juliette death.


Where is the life that says thanks I will stride the Solar comprehension to know of that Shining,

hedges and Maize,

corn stomach mace with a drink of show me the take,

nope I just know,

the question is not begging from the origin of the flame,

for that is the eternal fire on the breadth of the Watch at Witness this Worlds dread,

shadows casting death by debt to pick up the Ticket for the price,

than stuck in the burning screams at deadly greens,

clover bunches to sway the sweets,

rye on the Wheat,

gorges that demonstrate the bog that is put to the Human flight,

oh for the bearing of shallow pickle to the understanding of what I have scene!!


Bang goes the drumming,

the Seals the Whales a Deep Sea,

that tide on the change of excitement,

the ruffle of the wave shores,

the ripple of Time in the Ages of Score,

I counter the Muse on a Oracle door,

speaking in that formal put to Tack the War!!


Get a good hold on the reins for this is the bit that says I ride the adoration of out where I speak,

to that evolution has a floor,

life is a traveling show this is a Touchdown on this fight,

but why bother to fight the channel of National Media on their ever lie,

for that is the argument left for the people wanting to waste their time for livers digest and stint.


Edge on this Now is the run,

breathing with thunder treating the lightening count as the sigh stud,

I love Lust,

simple to touch,

complex to strength,

for the Mind is a library to moving films that even I say its the ka on the ba of a ma in this strange.


I love the prowess the drive the arrival the leave the adventure the learn,

I love the truth of the comprehension not the split talkers stake,

on list theirs takes and takes to bury that shape in the six foot dive of dirt,

dead or alive it does seem a trait of Human Beings on the the prints today,

speaking to skill the death of the brain while saying that its not murder 'cause that person still is walking,

I know in the Future that the tie to cuff of prison on the words that put to Trade death by proxied will attach to suicides and sled,

pushed by buttons on applications zipping the pearl to the facial of texting tums to seal barfing at sumped within the self.


But even on that the patience for the come is of the concern of the dead going on the dones, do's and coming exactly at this moment of the tag,

nothing I can do but to say that I am writing for the Riders of the Future,

to spread that paragraph and hold those beat potters to the tack of digging the ditch fallen in per played,

so you be of the counter and I will be of the tool that knows of the sync,

in that its just the saying,

if all I have is time and all I have is hook,

than its just left to line and sinker to know the avenue of the drains,

the morbid of society spreading dread and missile mouths on magazine articles plains,

dry beds without a true slate to say that earth is a screaming deck of frenzy that is shorting the sheets on the clothes of people in the hurt.


If that is the process of building than the building abandons the special,

however the ghost, the being, the life is more on the bring,

cause death is just the shell that is left to coffin the cradle for the living to remember the Name!!


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Thursday, November 20, 2014

In The Beginning Theirs Was Seats




Publish only with the debt of Humanity as the desktop of the Role Topped by the cold in present Now,

is the step of the stamp on a Passport to treat with the ports of training on the Curve of the skirts,

Blunt has in deed and in Action of the Staged to the C.D. gone to the marrow of my bone in the read,

Mr. Blunt did have and had had privy notes to exacts in the extract of lyrics to Tracks of Record,

on the Ten Cents of making the fame to the blast in and on the Island of dense a barrier on sacked,

yet in all of this close Shots of remains on the shirt a Chest in the primal of Pandora on Speaks is I.


The constant ignoring of a straight question answered that Earth is of place and Man has had baste,

buttered by shockers in the tunnels of dirt the scramble of treasure to the walk at the turf,

around the Merry of the Horse even nerved in the less of amounting to savory drugs,

people whom act to the Caste of the crawl is list of the Golden of showers to stall,

base of the d.g. in knowing of Wise parts in the wrench are the Tools of advised!!


So scent this to each of the billions of lives,

a head for the thing now called cell phone bids drives,

apply for locale by no tendency looked,

just stick in the swipe and go on to the slugged.


Mr. James Blunt I believe in Innocence that it is the base of belief on the Fence,

take from your Calendar the truth by the lies,

a Wall is the brick of the dates on the rides,

to be of no countenance yet lottery lip,

is for I to be clear with the Candor of Whip,

execution of words to bring with this learn,

is that Men have gone lock to the invention of Tin!!


Jingle that change in the pocket of Vest,

for in the importance of liberty and zest,

a spring for the present of Christmas today,

this gift of the hand slap to your face of dish play.


As each on the Iron of pleats that suit Sheep,

you have flocked to the bird and touched at the deep,

sworn with the sore of the callous your stab,

the guts of intestine to digestion of grab!!


To Whom Writes 'Reviews' in repeaters,

your task on this article is easy ignore,

for Fools are the Cards in the decks of Reporters,

a prancer to stimulate the rub in the salve.


Original Herb Cain made History of Name,

on the streets that do talk Jack Kerouac by Fame,

motor this Cycle to that CBS spoon,

swallow the attention for the World is at broom!!


Which in the market of better than lose,

brings to attention the lanes that won't move,

to be so in stream with Mr. Blunt groom,

for I say before than his agony is doored.


Protect whom you've chosen an Idiot at breeze,

for in the employment deployed for the fees,

gather around by the stick on a key,

the reel of Spinning is that kiss of Agreed!!


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Saturday, October 11, 2014

Rucksack




Tinker had a Man that worked a Gypsy ride,

in the misty mornings Coffee was not his drive,

but he served Tea with biscuit Me & that was Fun & Cool,

the riding was the Treat and stop that made the Caravan prot.


For on the Mach of Tinkers lot the bust was in the Nail,

atop the Rider found a crop the verse to tale rail,

the least of Most was Cart rides boast to bar Keep on the Trail,

a sort of stupor that said Vale with Trigger on the keep a bail.


A harness was the greatest sport to Hooves that sped the ever Crupe,

a leather band with vast in land the Part of learning Lead,

as every story has a Snail it is the sheep on Flock,

for theirs was in the field caught all by Hoof & clot.


A wig to Wool the ewe did Full for often lambs prevailed,

the meat so Sweet the Mutton stuck with stick the smelly pail,

the ram is for the useful chore of making more the goat,

as billie had the snake of grab a slicker came to Stay.


There amongst the town of Say was in the Princeton state,

Half Moon Bay by name and place was teaching key to Rake,

clean the mail on assail for Marriage is the bleating Game,

convenience for the subject Chores to milking Cow of gale.


The storm went too the landscape true India the crane,

for as the story comes to View the English do have pale,

a gap year for the preview life is in the met of rare device,

yet on the Mouth of from the bath a College with a price.


High expenses paid for language with an Accent vibe,

but in the story of the tribe the Pernickety spoke a clever hide,

for as the Class in system rash is based on litter dye,

in such the said the Wicked bred did grip the funny gybe,

a kind of way to say the day in farming Cockney side,

these are the real stories of the life I've lived too love,

for in the effort of being better it's all about the Lives.


The Ponytail Pyx

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Checkered Crust




Aye cipher Life Itself for the Code of the Just is the Straights to the Narrowings of Mind Thought,

to be the Prepares as the Sky Tumbler Shell in to the Vacuum of the Black Vortex'd slough,

the groove upon the forge serves to the shield in the wares.


Armor the granite streams as the mining in whilst the lensed the spectacles' to the eyesight for sleep,

in the dark of the wreath place a strong to the Crown thus the foundling strides with the Tiger lions'ed,

the trait in the Keep of the rail of Strikes the Match to the heated element of timber.


Ice in the flames of the firey stroke fill the Mortal being flesh to blood in vein determine,

holdings spear the length to a song as the begin to the start of the star fillings sheer,

guide the map in reverse for the understanding to gain the beast as I shone!!


Dawnings to the Rise of the Moon in Set clarity be the shining lead as the Sun in debt,

steppings bring the chisel as the Owl to the call in the crisis of the coming Fall,

I beseech the Animals on the Walk beside me on the Earth which the dirt is our Meet.   


Collections to the Visionary for in the points to bring forward the loss has suffered all spend,

record the breathing in the shores no more the hides dehydrated to the ash of the torn,

humanity is no populous of the humane for through disclosures theirs kills in horror while still alive.




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Saturday, June 14, 2014

Consider Time Scaped




The Beast with this is spurring list around the lives of lived exist,

blocks that build a bigger Dill the perfective of a riding skilled,

a Show for 'Act' is not the Real as reality does know the blows,

rough and deeply seeded in the birth of always know!!


Be hence the value to the Site of written to believe,

an Innocent does say so theirs in fact I state you're beep,

the horn of measure put to lever a gear that spun the stow,

a path so form in bites of corn a kernal ranks the Cob as bank!!


Accountants shall breathe in a born as oxygen feeds the deed,

the Man of went and fell the spoke in a pictured bead!!


The Game of Trust Me win 'It' came be forward with the sneak,

a width to girth in belting lore as if the 'Blank' could be!!


Stage-Up louds to many Tau's the Teak of barking peal,

an Apple for the Orange in Sake did bust the end for bred,

held to Vice the Grip entice until the Fellow frauds the Iced,

a skid to scrape upon such late it took the Destined by the Nape!!


Triple striked through that's the Knight of said but can't in prove,

a Six Pack pull the belly roll just hides the present Shrike!!


Dungeon broughts by Video Lots in Singing Scape of Echo,

the shadow Keep a Lair of Steep too Climb would be the Feat,

no concern does mark this learn the trouble was mere to spurned,

rather que the absolute than weak my Mind to never pined!!


Sway the difference in loaded bile a strap of leather moves,

with holes so punched it shorts the hunch to warn the Self of knew!!


Limp the hobble as brake a leg a Wish in Coins the Fountain play,

scrib the letter in a Tether than link the spare as a brave,

the Curtain lilts the chords to shelved a bind in Man can Never!!


Skating bergs much the melt to Ocean blue the Ink in stew,

a Tap to snap the quick released as 50 Shades of Purples pinked!!


Too knot the discipline of search defeat in travel skip the stink,

holds to journey in the Quest that Life has been and shall be Lest!!


Craft that off to debtor lost a stair cased band while traitor fanned,

the breezy grates to shift the states for best is speed of takes!!

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Tuesday, July 30, 2013

The Balance Of Decide Compliments the Mind




The Culture of just Circumspect,

transparency does cry.


Why not try,

be better than let.


Concrete decisions move!!


The doubt that plagues Humanity,

is the truth that has set a sphere.


Global order,

different Sects,

the Law of Nature leads!!


Create design to Love not Hate,

no matter ground is good.


The closer that a day does come,

the farther you'll have to run!!


Acceptance of progressive acts,

the City Kid does exact,

the Show, A Stage, A Band, A Man,

the guitar strums,

the Key board Track.


The Music of the Fare,

the cost of deep and theirs,

does separate the belief,

as Innocence does Read!!

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Friday, May 8, 2015

For My Grandfather The Oldest of His Say "Two Bits For A Shave" Just to Spake 'Old Spice' Trades ~Go READ!!!




Oh Yea did I march the Mention of the Coin on a flipping beaters Sign,

the Heads and the Tales is the Call in the Hi Air,

on the clamber to the Hit is the fable Fact,

or is the Head in a Stuck Think??,

as the story Trolls to the bridge of the In Mid Bearing Feat did You ever Sync??,

to the Toll of the Reality of Hand Speech on the enter Net.


To the Token on deposit of 'The Games' it is the lights On sound of a Virtue to the shoed,

touching this Today is a Yesterday New from that is the Patty Cake patty Cake Bakers Men,

apple for the Pear in the briny of the lettering Hinge,

swinging on the Skeet.


So easily Humanity has Recorded both the Sync & The Sod,

a teach & Spell with the ribbons of the Word worth a Thousand cried Dice,

in that the Flavor of the Story time on the Bonfire Hearth of the rivals Same,

in singing of The Fates on the Siren C.D. is the tick on the Clock of a Under stow!!


Records Vinyl in the Streaker by Came an At that the Stadium,

a plausable on the skinny of stripping the barriers down to the Crack on the Sidewalks chalk clued,

bounce the Draw and stone the slip to An Ancient bartering flow,

teach the Tangle on the Cobblers enter Webbing of the Saddle buy the Crutch,

a Cane for the Able of the Fielding of a Basic to the Back of Spit,

right on the Hand that shakes touching the Agreement of Man,

all in the Planners of chore to Divide the Grand Canyon as Evil Knievel rode The Fit!!


Weather the bike is on the Roads of trace lacking the Formal Tank it is the Fun bellow of Chortles,

gig to the side stepping say that brights each of the Every other brave grand,

in a Piano on the beat of the Gibson,

a guitar on the Drums of the Cycles to spoke that Wheeling in the Weave of the Hare!!


Hop in the Hip shout to Wee Fie Fiddle sky to the Viola of the jello on the giggles of the shore,

a refrigerator with a Freezer score to Open the Closed into that blanket of Trued as a Song in the Pipes,

of Organ on the drive to the Pump of the seat An Electric Training by My Mother on the gift,

concerto for the Voice in the patent to speak of Tuners at Pianos and the Chap that brought leant,

a broad to the Vale of the Castle dock grunge In America the Troops sing a Friend!!


Talk the Stable on The Rock^King Horse Trades,

owe for the Carriage of Movies on the boo's,

for the In Stance brings Theory to its Needs & barks The Course a blinding Cleap,

count the system Operators and the Emergence of wrap,

skipping to The Boon a Coyote from the Wolf on a loan Journey to said,

that Howl to the Moon knee on the back to Basically ked,

a Pedestrians Trail to Ancient detail all on the Coins of the Meant of the Read!!





Pronunciation on the Swail of the March is to be Wisdom with a Fire Pits barrel,

warmer for the Monk keys bouncing on the beds,

straw Hats with the Robe of deflect Arch of Master to the quilt of River boats,

Canoe on the Sea is the Ability to Speak Tree in THIS the Forest of Humanity on the Clippers leap!!


Yachts and Pony bales as the Horse is a See creature to the depth of sneak a Talk to the spline,

in the legs the There can be Spelt Theirs Two but is that Purpose Full Frost oaring Folks loc.`d,

or is the Call of the Flip in the Heir on lasting Stars in the beaming of a Spock??,


'cause what I observe at the Laboratory of chalk is the Outline for constant failure and know bucket of Cock,

a rooster Crowning the Pea Hin a clock to the arms Peat of the Hills on the Pale Crossed,

drowning from Informational downs to goal the Only variable as An end is the break in the Paul,

waist the Owe`ing to stretch the Screaming of a Place per Sun oar Thing and the dues is ..........



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Saturday, October 4, 2014

No Space Is Needed




I can hardly imagine the Party line chick in the bent over backwards to Writer of line,

in the math of addition to the Ride on That horse,

a perfection to Noting the evaluation of Course.


As I whence to know the Value of talk in the Tea-bagging bounce of the Open in fought,

as to say that words have there lot this Conversation just blows to the jock,

in with The silk of the Stockings on Chimney of that fluke in the Production I think not a crop,

yet theirs in the strange of a duke on derange from sealed to Kiss of the video on burst.


Showing the WHAT the Blunt spoke a Rut in a stag of the listed to the straight up in Tuk,

trait on the zest to the Spring of the made a know that is not Stream but a U-Tube in the lay,

my goodness of Gracious the temper must bull for should the Table be stern of the grove,

a peeling for certain on skin that chose Sun as the Coppertone effect could not protect in the gum.


Sticky in the Match as the fire is Jung even Einstein would stop to Appreciate done,

the tally to Total in the multiples tongue,

a certain in fact is the Words I say lung!!


The script Sir of singing behind those Closed Doors can mirror the state of Red in the blows,

as the quote of the Mirror would liken the steer,

a Wheel on the bedroom for the duvet must just spear.


To Charge with the slice of the pie in the dice,

throw to the Hills a climb in the Vice,

to be that Paparazzi on the camera of full,

a lend in the microphone of the spilling colds,

'You're in LOVE with that GIRL!!' oh but for the Sail of touch Mast,

reasons for Football Stadiums & Satellites are truer Shields today.

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Thursday, October 9, 2014

Chance A Read




I spoke a rail on the know in the ages dead in go for the choir sang sew,

on the listen to the stitch in the needle a hole in twitch for the seeing Eye,

so as the close of Earth be ran the skies did cry the clouds at band,

in the twist upon the shore the Winter spoke of ever show,

on atop the Mountain said that the Valley is in the red,

for that bigger Barrier shredded blood of ancient read.


The giant walls built to be in the tibetan majesty,

far from no the evergreen blanket desert rock in leaned,

grouse were Pigeons on the fire in the stick of green retire,

from that blast in spire Came a burning in the fever lane,

on the forehead of the crop in that furrow on the mop,

a brow did speech a spree,

for Champion did falling stone on the throw of cut the bone,

as the leg saw a lamb the roast was in Eternal scan,

slamming gasp to chokes that hold the smoke of pedestrian on the soap sea Ocean bore the rise,

to key in that melt of Art on heat.


Just an moment a dapple Grey took the temple on the sway,

shelled the doors with lies and score down the shank a linking floor,

up to Massive dig that knee in a face of mud in Tea,

cups that wore the lip of free dribbled to a price in fee.


Aspen grade steam of grave came to be the known enclave, 

at the orchard of a gave information rushed the pay,

to didst the Singer clad to touch the ringer it was Plaid,

on the kilt of pinned with pre a Vary in the bush of say,

theirs was death the light show stride in forgot the drank did bare,

all for Nostradamus Fair on the scribble is was Tear.


Out ripped the page one by Ten in the chapter of the send,

thorn troop hence a heeding Cross shot the dove and grass of loud,

to born surprise the Vulture choked Crowed a natural from the throat,

in digestion on the Tube expectations sword a Tray.


Forge the onward grain to grind for the Oatmeal had a rhyme,

trigger beat with hand in line subjects grew to known a stole,

oh dear the screaming instrument all hard bone with Marrow sit,

pulse be ink blood be vein on that written the brain did stay.

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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Ca Ka Got Hold




Since the Number Eight seems to a Popular Maximum of Hit View following Publish Post the Curio in I said,

cupid aim`d an elbow pass to nudge the Work in spoof coup an Anchor of the Wicket brass that tether ink I,

a verse to note that apple take a bite for green is blue in case a tree is paper the bark so key to Time slate B,

the ring Rounds the Roster oak a kick of the bucking lope in dialect the a pack stubbed his token in the I.C. ~


Edge of Nature brink of Cruel wisdom comes from each a Cool each chill of Ice in Galactical dice a Snug fit,

say to Cell hello I'm bell the Mind in Tug Tuned bye the Fork for that is issue Yield dye in apathy oh plates,

I often forge Arms broken hugs the Circle to the Circuit rugs thus Magic must have feet to be a Cruising gay,

in vote of Rite the Flame Ig~Knight justify the Fire to burn the Shire upon the Shoulders brain inquire spark.

~


Whist language Indy streams these Stubs the Agree is Contract Bud a Science that refuses to investigate Sod

so plainly lives could be Ranked a better Crust to Earthly shank vice the bare to Bible care to prove beating,

asking Christian to place theirs in direct Coming dark the Electricity provide A Web tonight an Essay Speak,

so Mirror the reflect upon the Feat that Pre~dates the biblical streakers and We are In the 70's stadium Ue. ~


How the Planet has allowance to Far in Lies a Truth that Aeons arrive thrown the Life in Proper Former Plu

sense to the Age of Might a Dragon spoke the Wright in Tights did than these breathes state Odin Freeze Ki

can't be sure in body lure the Mortal shrugs the ample bugs all within the reside on truck a bone to skin pick,

sewn to the Cosmic growing Black the Whole of Mass in After blast a delivery written drew "Hello, You!"

~


Rides to vor trued Norw beau?, yapping down the tube scapes core a Dimension and/or Door will not Cow,

thresholds lore entry pore stage the Human Principled bet to gamble even Higher Set a Name in Blunt puts,

a singer either in the Brae the Warrior either in the Cay due Process more a Global Ray ground dirt its a Day

twenty-four seconds 12 minutes eight Hundreths add Nine minus doubt why Eleven Win Alpha keys Om.


Bookers



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Monday, July 28, 2014

Sand Scribe Writes




I am the temper of the forest planetary order in the system of the Universal Force tracings come,

the cache of the dealt as the furthest Star of the Belt granging over a Cosmic galactical slung,

acceptance goes before the wrist of skeletal acura in a weather create developed in the sache.


The churn didst provision as the loaded pacts for cell the specialized to the form of bone,

whist the bridge is a price for loaned fro gash ist echo forward is the coe in trusting of the lote,

behavior markedly sins itslef as life is but a feathered strobe to introduce the tree in speak.


Processing the cellular the dinosaur approach ly veed developed in the lyres bleech verb loest,

keys brew Society the Worlds over low to reach the brothing of the ever Neats a when too eve,

the inquiry sense for elements lense to spark the sight in scope the sty a house of tar!!


Creams of knocking to counting pie a sliced in each a settled smile the spurting falay no stokes,

the fire pours to berms in loach the honda in the cosmos showed that classically it's doubts of skeer,

knashing nets to so it's swept to the nestle in the war a milky way or ryes in lot to the preakished.


Collect aspire fork too Blunt evened in the ignoring front a fortress shall the building lears,

evasive puttings as the jelled befriend the disparaged to the spends corpse sided with the sterns,

to dirt from muds that spud your race the whisk to never skate the trade for wit isks be wierd.


Spell to gates of hotter laced the platoon in brigades of squires spake the affinite be Ste,

hardily search knot destroy in tramples theirs is killing boy'ed in first of second thirdly fifths',

lay journey in the mindful blessed to accept the touch of Esp formalize in stood the crest.


Grading on an Arching Strikes


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Tuesday, October 7, 2014

The Sound Of Mercury




As the sky is green and the ground is blue in the compression the cold is a shoe,

with the flu that caught chew is the cough of sound a sticker in the round,

on the sphere of dimension white the light of dew on the mists the ramble,

in a scrub of the jinn the brink forgot to drink the bin on the planet in the laugh a belly rolled,

on the latter of the sake to the growl of the know to the tangle from a gave the envelope of day,

on the calendar of Count the earth began in the Shade ask the sun for it's trait explosions done,

for if the but had a plan than bigger bangs would have Cane in the sugar beets of say,

so as the stick came to be in the branch of dignity the face just said a stun,

in that shock of trigger clock the Time shed with the type as the tightest fever crumb in Chaos.


Turning tables asked the debt do the gamble on the bloat for the oar of ever groats a reason,

in the reason onward Wise to the beach of sample line sand did speak to scratching feet,

as the inch be from the scratch the Ocean rose in waves of Tons than the flow a River,

on the river in the flows the Creek stood still and Mountains froze the fire on the land imposed.


Just then with the flame a match became the rig of sent with a Message in the bottle of the Mind,

as the Mind be for the brain in the Brain before the lane for the streaming conscious chained link,

with that link to sync the fact on the fact theirs was Verse in that read upon the stature of a stack,

on the stack of shelved for pray the kneel forgot that Tack in the tack at the ride the Saddle vibe,

on the ridden of the horse a bridle made to leather Royce in that Choice of speak a balance say,

it is the seat of legs on chore to the rein in buckled for the twist of brain on hem to Edition Train.


There the rail of All Time speaking Ages just like rhyme in the Rhythm of the page at stick,

on the stick the crop did Bat the millions spoke to Cave of shine in that Shine it showed,

in the Show of live T.V. the ankles all be forward lead on the press of shoes in Velcro,

with the Velcro on the Keds the mirror reflection shot the ball the hand in Ball to basket,

with the basket hanging Net entry to the club of set with the Set of locker play a Suite,

in the suite of helmet had a Helicopter spun that Bad back as the lift came with fuel of list,

in the lift upon the Pad the aero of the Nation grow as the grew behavior stowed the attic,

in the Attic on the cellar of the basement in a low the certain eyes be grown to see that even,

in the even of the rafter on the trip to left in stature the wires of the Courts at joe.


On the look begetting Watch the Nature spoke of Mooning lots with a Sun in vigil got,

in the got of Sun in talk the shining be grained to potted flock on the Flock the flower daisy,

with the Daisy in the draw a beam of right did make a Vote that the grass beneath the flowed,

in that deep of done on track the words were simple to the bump on the head of hair in bun,

with the bunt of pony Tale a circle all the trot detail with that bale wound so read circular art A Row.

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Monday, July 28, 2014

Conversation With Dads ~ James Blunt True Flame




In the sleep that I needed to advise my Self of reality in the turning,

the thought to the basis of the training of brought in the Place that is not,

this Earth is the Grounds upon where humans touch the past with an idea to before.


The extend of the business to the moment at Hand in the hours of seconds the Times,

not in every the other dimensional jumped from perfect to listen that life has a plot.


Hardily considered in the Mid of the Knight I do not chase Compassing the Watch is theirs,

traits to the subtle reminding me of their stations of trades in the eve. of their Lair.


A churn style Mind to vast in the Centrals froughts this being eventual in happens,

for crisis averted by the write to approach with the Ancient in towing a big is a Coast!!


Rolling with salty the Men are the spice to the pepper in cared fulls a Captain in dice,

station the Age in the Millennia offered that Times would be set to See the leads!!


Deepest in lines between all the stops of check-in to rationed the filler of Tonnes,

additions to much in a learn as you go the games are the playing in innocent knows,

pressured to perfect the trips are the Keys that loop in width lines as circling Ve!!


And Asking the Quest of the spook in the Being a Self will mirror flection to Muscle the bow,

in dread of the memories that Humanity folks the traffic of Persons to Monetize gloats,

the factuals skating on the words of the sake don't tell of the damage if it's not you they lick.


Press to the Nationals of the Inter-global News'ed a bring in the latter creates evolution with tools,

to shoot to the forward in Past there were Bores that told of the Naturals in Looming Yarn,

to the spin of the wheel in the threading of string as the feather in weighted against what has been.

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Sunday, December 8, 2013

Seers, Savants and Evolution: The Uncomfortable Interface



Seers, Savants and Evolution:

The Uncomfortable Interface*


Duane E. Jeffery


     Ever since his great synthesis, Darwin's name has been a source of discomfort to the religious world. Too sweeping to be fully fathomed, too revolutionary to be easily accepted, but too well documented to be ignored, his concepts of evolution1 by natural selection have been hotly debated

now for well over a century.2 The facts of evolution as a current and


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     *In the years since its initial publication (Vol. 8, No. 3/4 [Autumn/Winter 1974]: 41-

75), this paper has been immeasurably strengthened by a number of excellent studies of

evolution, science, and Mormonism. Efforts by Richard Sherlock, Jeffrey Keller, Erich Paul,

David Bailey, and William Evenson have been particularly useful. The year 1992 saw two

major developments. First came the publication of the Encyclopedia of Mormonism with an

article on evolution initially generated by Evenson, which was reviewed and refined by the

First Presidency. Second came the generation of a formal "BYU Packet," outlining the official

position of the church and including the formally-signed statements by the First Presidency

(1909, 1910, 1925, etc.). This was approved by the First Presidency and seven apostles

as members of the BYU Board of Trustees. It is regrettable that this packet has not yet

found its way into more broadly-distributed church literature.

Notable also is the recent publication of Evolution and Mormonism, authored by Trent

Stephens, Jeffrey Meldrum, and Forrest Peterson and published by Signature Books. This

book, like earlier ones by William Lee Stokes, attempts a beginning rapprochement of science

and Mormonism. That, it would seem, is the challenge for the future.

     1. "Evolution" in this article refers only to the general concept that living things as we

know them today have over a long period of time been developed by differentiation from a

single or several primordial entities, i.e., descent with modification. Other tighter or more

specialized definitions do not generally apply here; we shall be content with just the very

general concept portrayed by Darwin, in his closing sentence to The Origin of Species (2d

and all subsequent editions): "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers,

having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that. . .

from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been,

and are being evolved."

     2. Cf. I. M. Lerner, "The Concept of Natural Selection: A Centennial View," Proc. Am.

Philosophical Soc. 103, no. 2 (1959): 173-82, reprinted in W. M. Laetsch, ed., The Biological



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on-going process are there for the observation of any who will exercise the honesty and take the time to look. The question of whether species evolve is no longer open; it has long since been resolved affirmatively.

     This is not to say, however, that we understand all the processes at work in evolving populations, or that we can answer unequivocally all the detailed questions concerning life forms in the distant past. Yet such

shortcomings do not negate the fact that a great deal about evolutionary processes is known and is demonstrable; anyone who chooses to ignore the subject surely jeopardizes the development of an accurate view of the world around him.

     Most Mormons, it would appear, have addressed the question only perfunctorily. The same weakness exists in the vast majority of our published literature on the subject; the level of discussion, unfortunately, is

far from sophisticated. Available works are usually the product of individuals who labor under the apparent belief that the concept of evolution per se is a threat to the survival or vitality of Mormonism, and that

by attacking evolution they become defenders of the faith. Not only do such authors perceive evolution as a deep and fundamental threat to their personal religious convictions, but by various devices they also try

to convince us that their bias is also the official, or at least necessary, doctrine of the church. Statements to the effect that one cannot harbor any belief whatsoever in any version of evolution and still be a real Latterday Saint, or that evolution is the deliberate doctrine of Satan and a counterfeit to the gospel, that it is atheistic, communistic, etc., are not at all rare in the Mormon culture and popular literature.

     We do not propose here to consider the validity of the above positions, although readers should be fairly warned of the dangers inherent in a prima facie acceptance thereof. We direct ourselves instead to a more

immediate concern: What is the doctrine of the church on the subject of evolution, if any? We assert immediately that, among mortals, only the president of the church can articulate a church position on anything. We have no desire to assume that role; the responsibility is awesome. How-


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Perspective (Little, Brown & Co., 1969). An excellent statement of what natural selection is,

and isn't, is Th. Dobzhansky, "Creative Evolution," Diogenes 60 (1967): 62-74. Materials pertinent

to the current level of acceptance of the main body of evolutionary concepts are: H. J.

Muller, "Biologists' Statement on Teaching Evolution," Bull. Atom. Scientists 23 (1967): 39-

40, and S. Tax, ed., Evolution After Darwin (U. of Chicago Press, 1960), which encompasses

in three volumes the proceedings of the Darwin Centennial Celebration (symposium) at the

U. of Chicago in 1959. A rather critical but factually reliable appraisal of the current status

of evolutionary knowledge, particularly as it applies to invertebrate animals, is G. A.

Kerkut, Implications of Evolution (Pergamon Press, New York, 1960). Reviews of this work

by J. T. Bonner, Am. Sci. 49 (1961): 240-44, and Th. Dobzhansky, Science 133 (1961): 752, will

also prove valuable. The review by W. Bullock, /. Am. Sci. Affil. 16, no. 14 (1964): 125-26, will

be of particular interest to those interested in religious correlations.



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ever, there is a glaring lack, in all published Mormon literature, of analysis of what the response to evolution by "the church" really has been. To be sure, many publications bring together copious strings of quotes from

general authorities, all carefully selected to fit the author's personal point of view. In a certain sense, the present development will suffer from the same weakness; we make no attempt to catalogue and analyze

every statement by every general authority on the subject. We do claim, however, to try for the first time to document another, broader, point of view fundamentally different from those which have been most ardently

presented in the past twenty years, and to examine in as complete a context as is currently sufficiently documented the statements of the prophets of the church on the matter.

     Our account may be disturbing to some. It is not designed to be, but the nature and history of the subject make it virtually impossible to avoid affront to someone. We have gone to considerable lengths to circumvent

unnecessary conflict. We hope that any who find the review offensive will extend themselves sufficiently to appreciate why this investigation is necessary in the first place. Since the footnotes supply

additional discussion, we urge their consultation on critical points.

     For statements on church doctrine, we are traditionally referred to the four standard works.3 However, the standard works are not of themselves always sufficient, and it is recognized that essentially authoritative

statements can also be originated by the presiding prophet (the president) of the church.4 In addition, other priesthood holders may declare the mind of the Lord whenever they are "moved upon by the Holy

Ghost."5 This latter criterion introduces a high degree of subjectivity into the matter: How does an audience know when a speaker or writer is so moved? President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., of the First Presidency, concluded that one knows only when he himself is so moved,6 a conclusion that is

religiously sound enough, but still too open for scholarly analysis. For some degree of necessary control in the matter, we shall in this article confine ourselves primarily to statements by the presidents of the

church. Recognizing, however, that counselors in the First Presidency of necessity share a very close relationship to the president, sharing with


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     3. Improvement Era (hereafter Era), 6 (1903): 233; H. B. Lee, Ensign 2, no. 12 (1972): 2- 3.

     4. First Presidency (Joseph F. Smith et al.), Deseret News, 2 Aug. 1913 (also in James R.

Clark, Messages of the First Presidency, 4 (1970): 284-86; H. B. Lee, Era 73, no. 6 (1970): 63- 65;

Ensign 3, no. 1 (1973): 104-108.

     5. Doctrine and Covenants (D&C) 68:2-4.

     6. J. Reuben Clark, Jr., "When Are Church Leader's Words Entitled to Claim of Scripture?"

Church News, 31 July 1954, 2f, (text of a speech to LDS Seminary and Institute Teachers,

BYU, 7 July 1954) is by far the most candid and valuable analysis of this problem by a

general authority.



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him the responsibility for governing the affairs and doctrines of the church/ we shall also on occasion extend ourselves to their testimony and counsel. The First Presidency, then, as the highest quorum in the

church, becomes our source of authoritative statements. The many statements by other authorities will be discussed only as needed for perspective, since they are not binding or fully authoritative.8

     It should be recognized at the outset that the authorities have never been comfortable with the ideas surrounding evolution. Yet that point must be kept in perspective: Much of their discomfort is shared by many other religionists, laymen, and scientists. It would appear that the primary reasons for discomfort lie not so much in the question of whether living forms have evolved through time. Rather, the concern seems to lie

with the mechanisms responsible for such projected changes. To believe that evolution is deity's mode of creation is one thing; to ascribe it all to the action of blind chance is another. Darwin, of course, postulated natural selection as the major mechanism of change. In the century since, it has become plain that he was generally correct: Natural selection is the major identified mechanism. Other mechanisms (e.g., genetic drift) have since been identified as well, and the picture is still far from complete. But the real question is not whether these mechanisms are functional; it is whether they are sufficient. Can they, as presently understood, explain the incredible complexity observable in the living world? Of more direct concern to those theologically-oriented is the question: Is there any need for, or evidence of, any processes that would be classed as divinely operated or controlled? Therein lies the crux: No one really has any good

ideas as to how to look for such possible instances of divine intervention. How would one identify them? It has long been fashionable, in literature both within and without the church, to implicate God wherever we lack adequate "natural" explanations; that is, God is present wherever there is a gap in our knowledge. This "god of the gap" approach is demonstrably tantamount to theological suicide; the gaps have a way of being filled in by further research, and one must keep shifting to ever-new and more subtle gaps. Perception of the self-destructive properties of this approach


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     7. The best statement known to me on the intimacies of this relationship is in Joseph F.

Smith's pledge to the church upon assuming its presidency, 10 November 1901, Conference

Reports, 82; also in James R. Clark, Messages of the First Presidency, 4 (1970):4-6.

     8. To be very precise, it appears that no statement or revelation even from a president

of the church is binding on the church as a body unless accepted by them by vote in conference

(testimony of President Joseph F. Smith in Proc. before the Committee on Privileges and

Elections of the U. S. Senate (the Reed Smoot Case), 1 (1904): 95-97). This distinction seems

quite unnecessary in the current discussion, however, since neither lay members nor general

authorities take cognizance of it in general practice.



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seems to travel slowly, however, and it still remains the foundation stone

of virtually every anti-evolution argument currently in vogue.9

     The basic question of underlying and fundamental causes remains. If everything proceeds in a stochastic manner governed by the basic laws of chemistry, physics, and genetics, from whence come those laws? They appear to many to be orderly; does this indicate a purposeful design and a Designer?10 At this point the decision becomes largely a leap of faith; there is no demonstrated answer. Darwin confessed himself unable to decide,11 and his successors, whatever their persuasion, have been able to demonstrate no better solution. President David O. McKay summed up his views on the matter for teachers in the church as follows:


There is a perpetual design permeating all purposes of creation. On these

thoughts, science again leads the student up to a certain point and sometimes

leads him with his soul unanchored. Millikan is right when he says

"Science without religion obviously may become a curse rather than a blessing

to mankind." But, science dominated by the spirit of religion is the key

[to] progress and the hope of the future. For example, evolution's beautiful

theory of the creation of the world offers many perplexing problems to the

inquiring mind. Inevitably, a teacher who denies divine agency in creation,

who insists there is no intelligent purpose in it, will infest the student with

the thought that all may be chance. I say, that no youth should be so led

without a counterbalancing thought. Even the skeptic teacher should be fair

enough to see that even Charles Darwin, when he faced this great question

of annihilation, that the creation is dominated only by chance wrote: "It is an

intolerable thought that man and all other sentient beings are doomed to

complete annihilation after such long, continued slow progress.".. .The public

school teacher will probably, even if he says that much. . .go no farther. In

the Church school the teacher is unhampered. In the Brigham Young University

and every other Church school the teacher can say God is at the helm.12


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     9. I. G. Barbour, Issues in Science and Religion (London: SCM Press, Ltd., 1966), analyzes

the "gaps" problem nicely. Cf. also Th. Dobzhansky, The Biology of Ultimate Concern

(New York: World Publishing Co., 1967), 12-34.

     10. We make no attempt here to analyze the validity of the argument. As with all

other points to be discussed here, we are interested only in presenting positions. Those

who wish to pursue the subject would do well to begin with D. R. Burrill, ed., The Cosmological

Arguments, A Spectrum of Opinion (Garden City, N.Y.: Anchor, 1967).

     11. Cf. Sir Gavin deBeer, Charles Darwin, A Scientific Biography (Garden City, N.Y.: Anchor,

1963), 266-75; also F. Darwin, ed., The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin (New York: Appleton,

1887), 2:146, and More Letters of Charles Darwin (New York: Appleton, 1903), 1:395.

     12. David O. McKay, "A Message for LDS College Youth," BYU Address, 10 Oct. 1952,

BYU Extension Publications, 6-7. The published version is poorly edited and proofed. We

have corrected here the spelling of Millikan's name and added for clarity the word "to"

shown in brackets. The deleted material is all consistent with the sentiments of the quote as

here rendered, but too garbled for precise reconstruction.



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     Considerations as to God's possible role in evolutionary processes have not been characteristic of Mormon literature, especially not during the past two decades or so. The shift has been to an attack on evolution itself, fighting not "Godless evolution," but evolution per se. The question of whether this latter approach is legitimate brings us squarely back to our original task: a search for a church position.

     The researcher soon faces an interesting problem: The available utterances on the subject are widely scattered and remarkably few. Compared with the output of other religious groups, Mormonism has produced a rather tiny body of literature that really deals directly with the matter of evolution.13 At first, this is rather frustrating. Commentaries on marriage systems, political involvement, and matters of church and state are extensive, and there is a sizeable literature on other social issues of the day, but there are very few direct confrontations with the questions raised by evolution. Why? Is it solely that the other items were more

pressing? There can be no doubt that involvement with these other problems was contributory, but it is clear also that this alone is not a sufficient answer. The most likely further explanation appears to be that LDS doctrines central to the evolution issue were not well developed; they were still in a sufficient state of flux that no direct confrontation was really possible or necessary. Simply put, the church had no defined basic doctrines directly under attack.

     On some matters, Mormonism was clearly on the side of "science" in the first place. In no real way could the church be classed as party to the literalistic views of the more orthodox Christian groups of the day.              Indeed, Mormonism was a theologic maverick to nineteenth-century Christian orthodoxy. The differences were deep and profound, and on several issues, Mormonism was much more closely aligned with the prevailing concepts of science.14 Why then should the Mormon theologians rush to an attack on science as other groups did? They should not, and they did not.


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     13. An introduction to the non-LDS literature can be gained from: A. D. White, A History

of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom, 2 vols. (1896; reprint, New York:

Dover Publications, Inc., 1960), and B. J. Loewenberg, Darwinism Comes to America, 1859-

1900 (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1969). There is as yet no satisfactory review and introduction

to LDS materials on the subject.

     14. Cf. O. K. White, Jr., "Mormonism—A Nineteenth Century Heresy," /. Religious

Thought 26 (1969): 44-55. That Brigham Young perceived these deep distinctions is evident:

". . .we differ from the Christian world in our religious faith and belief; and so we do very

materially. I am not astonished that infidelity prevails to a great extent among the inhabitants

of the earth, for the religious teachers of the people advance many ideas and notions

for truth which are in opposition to and contradict facts demonstrated by science, and

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     Such a view will not be apparent to many. Let us, therefore, quickly proceed to its examination.

    For all intents and purposes, the modern story of evolution began November 24, 1859, the date of the release of Darwin's classic, On the Origin of Species. The earlier announcement of the theory of evolution by

natural selection, presented as joint papers by Darwin and A. R. Wallace on the evening of July 1, 1858, to the Linnaean Society, had caused little stir. Not so the 1859 publication. Public response was immediate and

heated. A recounting of that story is not necessary here, however, since it is readily available elsewhere.15         Our major concern is to identify the central points of the issues that were of interest in Mormon theology. Mayr16 has recently postulated six specific issues which seem to lie at the heart of the revolution of thought precipitated by Darwin. These do not translate easily to the LDS world view, however, so we would propose the following five basic concepts as useful for comparing Mormonism to the doctrinal positions taken by science and prevailing Christian theology of the last century.17 The theological posits are:

     1. Belief in an ex nihilo creation, that is, creation out of nothing.

     2. Belief that the earth was created in six twenty-four hour days, and

is only about 6,000 years old.

     3. Fixity or immutability of species; that all species were created originally

in Eden by the Creator and do not change in any significant way.

     4. Contention that life is dependent on an activating vital force which

is immaterial and divine, i.e., spirit or soul.

     5. Special creation of man; that God literally molded man's body

from the dust of the ground and blew into it the breath of life, the spirit.18

    Let us now examine the alignment of Mormonism on these issues. Was the doctrine of the church as of 1859 (and for, say, twenty or so years thereafter, the period of the hottest debates) such as to align it with the orthodox theologies of the day, or with science, or with neither?


1. CREATION EX NIHILO


     A formal definition of this view is "God brings the entire substance of a thing into existence from a state of non-existence. . . .[W]hat is pecu-


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     15. Of the many books available, L. Eiseley's Darwin's Century (Garden City, N.Y.:

Doubleday, 1958) is probably the best single general work. Also recommended are W.

Irvine's Apes, Angels, and Victorians (Cleveland: World Publishing Co., 1955), and Sir G. de-

Beer's Charles Darwin, A Scientific Biography (Garden City, N.Y.: Anchor, 1963).

     16. E. Mayr, "The Nature of the Darwinian Revolution," Science 176 (1972): 981-89.

     17. It is a distortion to characterize the dispute as one between science and religion.

The dispute was with specific theologies, not religion per se. This distinction is critical but

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liar to creation is the entire absence of any prior subject-matter."19 The doctrine is elsewhere explained as God's "speaking into being" everything except himself.20 The doctrine in its contested form meant literally

out of nothing; more recent attempts to cast it in the light of matter-energy conversions are distortions that betray the earlier meaning. The doctrine, of course, finds little place in contemporary science, which

deals with conversions of matter and of energy, but is generally foreign to the idea of something coming from nothing.

    It is difficult to find in Mormonism a philosophical doctrine that has been more consistently and fervently denounced, that is more incompatible with Mormon theology, than creation ex nihilo. The concept is usually

derived straight from Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth," and it is right there that Joseph Smith chose to set the theologians straight:


Now I ask all the learned men who hear me, why the learned men who are

preaching salvation say, that God created the heavens and the earth out of

nothing, and the reason is they are unlearned; they account it blasphemy to

contradict the idea, they will call you a fool—I know more than all the world

put together, and the Holy Ghost within me comprehends more than all the

world, and I will associate with it. The word create came from the word baurau;

it does not mean so; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize

a ship. Hence we infer that God had materials to organize the world

out of chaos; chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the

glory. Element had an existence from the time he had. The pure principles of

element, are principles that can never be destroyed. They may be organized

and re-organized; but not destroyed.21


     This view of Joseph's has been affirmed ever since in Mormonism. Brigham Young continually preached it,22 as did his contemporaries among the general authorities.


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     18. The dispute over some of these issues, particularly the fourth, cannot be directly

attributed to Darwin. There can be no doubt that his proposals intensified the concern over

them, however, and they eventually became all part of one intermeshed debate. The inclusion

here is thus not unjustified.

     19. The Catholic Encyclopedia (New York: Robert Appleton Co., 1908), 4:470.

     20. H. M. Morris, Biblical Cosmology and Modern Science (Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker

Book House, 1970), 68. Cf. A. D. White, History of the Warfare of Science, 1:2-7, for variations

on the theme.

     21. Times and Seasons (hereafter T&S) 5 (1844): 615. An expanded and variant version

of this statement appears in History of the Church, ed. B. H. Roberts, (2nd ed., 1962) 6:308-

309; hereafter HC. In Joseph Fielding Smith, comp., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith

(Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1958 printing), the same quote is given, 350-52. Although

the latter compiler cites the Times and Seasons as his source, he actually gives the HC account.

    22. See, for example, Journal of Discourses 11:120 (1865); 13:248 (1870); 14:116 (1871);

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    Creation ex nihilo has further meaning as well: that all things were created directly by God, and therefore have contingent being.23 In this view, only God had necessary being; all else is dependent (contingent) on

him for both its existence and continued maintenance. This concept leads to a morass of theological difficulties, not the least of which are responsibility for evil and denial of the free agency of man.24                    Mormonism, while it does not escape completely from some of these difficulties, begins from a

completely different base. For one thing, God is not the creator of matter, as is indicated in the above statement from the founder of the faith. "Element had an existence from the time he had. . .it had no beginning, and can have no end." The statement (part of a funeral sermon) continues:


. . .so I must come to the resurrection of the dead, the soul, the mind of man,

the immortal spirit. All men say God created it in the beginning. The very

idea lessens man in my estimation; I do not believe the doctrine, I know better.

Hear it all ye ends of the world, for God has told me so. I will make a

man appear a fool before I get through, if you don't believe it. I am going to

tell of things more noble—we say that God himself is a self existing God;

who told you so? it is correct enough, but how did it get into your heads?

Who told you that man did not exist in like manner upon the same principles?

(refers to the old Bible,) how does it read in the Hebrew? It don't say so

in the Hebrew, it says God made man out of the earth, and put into him

Adam's spirit, and so became a living body.

The mind of man is as immortal as God himself. I know that my testimony

is true, hence when I talk to these mourners; what have they lost, they

are only seperated [sic] from their bodies for a short season; their spirits

existed co-equal with God, and they now exist in a place where they converse

together, the same as we do on the earth. Is it logic to say that a spirit is

immortal, and yet have a beginning? Because if a spirit have a beginning it

will have an end; good logic. I want to reason more on the spirit of man, for


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     23. A good discussion of creation ex nihilo as it applies to Mormon thought is found in

O. K. White, "The Social-Psychological Basis of Mormon New-Orthodoxy," master's thesis,

Univ. of Utah 1967, 87ff; also: "The Transformation of Mormon Theology," Dialogue: A Journal

of Mormon Thought 5, no. 2 (1970): 9-24. White maintains, quite justifiably, that Mormon

authors consistently miss the deeper or even essential meanings of the doctrine, that of necessary

versus contingent being. We emphasize, however, that the pre-occupation on the simpler

level, creation out of nothing, is not that of Mormon writers alone; it is so used and defended

by non-Mormon Christian writers on a broad front. White correctly points out that

either interpretation of the doctrine is contradicted by Mormon theology and pronouncements.

Cf. also Truman Madsen, Instructor 99 (1964): 96-99; Instructor 99 (1964): 236f; and,

for the most detailed treatment available in Mormon literature on the subject, S. M. Mc-

Murrin, The Theological Foundations of the Mormon Religion (Salt Lake City: Univ. of Utah

Press, 1965).

     24. Cf. B. H. Roberts, Comprehensive History of the Church (Salt Lake City: Deseret

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I am dwelling on the body of man, on the subject of the dead. I take my ring

from my finger and liken it unto the mind of man, the immortal spirit, because

it has no beginning. Suppose you cut it in two; but as the Lord lives

there would be an end.—All the fools, learned and wise men, from the beginning

of creation, who say that man had a beginning, proves that he must

have an end and then the doctrine of annihilation would be true. But, if I am

right I might with boldness proclaim from the house tops, that God never

did have power to create the spirit of man at all. God himself could not create

himself: intelligence exists upon a self existent principle, it is a spirit

from age to age, and there is no creation about it.25


     Thus both matter and the basic identity of man share necessary existence with God.26 The doctrines have been taught continually and often by Joseph's successors.27 As regards the first point of contention in the

science-theology argument, Mormonism was unalterably opposed to the basic position of Christian theology.28 In the dispute on this point between science and then- current theology, Mormonism was clearly allied much more closely with science.


2. AGE OF THE EARTH


     The predominant doctrine of the nineteenth-century Christian theologians is too well known to need extensive documentation. While not all were as extreme as John Lightfoot, the vice-chancellor of the University of Cambridge, who insisted that the creation of the earth took place "on the twenty-third of October, 4004 B.C., at nine o'clock in the morning," the range of views for the earth's age were generally from about 4,000 years to 6,000 years before Christ.29 Science, of course, could not


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     25. Joseph Smith, T&S 5:615,1844. As with n. 21, an expanded version is found in B.

H. Roberts's HC 6:310-11. It is Roberts who equates the term "co-equal" with "co-eternal."

Once again, Joseph Fielding Smith, Teachings, 352-54, follows the Roberts's version.

Cf. also Joseph Smith, T&S 3:745, 1842. The errors in grammar, spelling, etc., are in the

original.

     26. Cf. D&C 93:21-23, 29, 33-35; Book of Abraham (in The Pearl of Great Price, Church

of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, 1968 printing), 3:18.

     27. Cf. Brigham Young: JD 1:116 (1853); 3:356 (1856); 7:285 (1859); 8:27 (1860); and W.

O. Rich, Distinctive Teachings of the Restoration (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1962),

ch. 3.

     28. Considering just this point alone, one is mystified as to how some well-meaning

Mormons have been able to align themselves with such ardent modern exponents of creation

ex nihilo as the Creation Research Society, which exacts as part of its membership requirement

a subscription to the following statement of belief: "All basic types of living

things, including man, were made by direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week

described in Genesis."

     29. A. D. White, History of the Warfare of Science, 1:5-10 and later. Suggestions were also

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agree. Darwin, in the first edition of The Origin, had opted for an age of several hundreds of millions of years.      Even devoutly religious scientists who opposed him, such as the physicist Lord Kelvin, produced estimates for the earth's age in the neighborhood of 20 million years. Estimates this small were painful to Darwin, since they seemed far too short for natural selection to have played the role he postulated for it.30          However, they were even more painful to the orthodox theologians, since they demonstrated

in virtually final fashion that a 6,000-year age was beyond defensibility. Kelvin's arguments, and others similar, have since been generally laid to rest. The age of the earth has been pushed ever farther back, and

current estimates range from 4.5 to 5.0 billion years. While no really precise age has been determined, the main issue, that of an old earth or a young one, has been essentially resolved.31 Our concern here, however, is not how old the earth really is. Rather, it is: Where did the church line up on the issue? The answer is: nowhere—it was wide open on the matter.

     Mormon speakers ranged widely in their expressions. Statements from the presiding quorum kept the church non-committed, but open for the long age. There seems to have been no one who opted for twentyfour hour creation days, unless one wishes to so interpret Oliver Cowdery's statement, published while he was Assistant (Associate) President of the church, that he believed the scriptures "are meant to be understood according to their literal reading, as those passages which teach us of the creation of the world" (emphasis his).32 Joseph Smith left no clearcut statement on the matter. On the Christmas day after Joseph's death, his close associate W. W. Phelps wrote a letter to Joseph's brother William, who was in the east.            Therein he refers, among other things, to the contributions of Joseph, and to the eventual triumph of truth and Mormonism. One of Joseph's accomplishments, of course, was the Book of Abraham, an incomplete text produced in conjunction with some Egyptian papyri. Phelps exults:


Well, now, Brother William, when the house of Israel begin to come into the

glorious mysteries of the kingdom, and find that Jesus Christ, whose goings

forth, as the prophets said, have been from of old, from eternity: and that

eternity, agreeably to the records found in the catacombs of Egypt, has been


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cf. J. C. Greene, Darwin and the Modern World View (Mentor Books, 1963), 18-19. Such views

were lost in the melee, however.

     30. Eiseley, Darwin's Century, 233f.

     31. Opponents of this view exist, of course, both within Mormonism and without. Indeed,

such dissident literature has been quite popular in Mormonism in recent years. The

arguments advanced, however, have not been convincing to those professionally engaged

in the specific fields of dispute—and, despite certain contrary rumors, the arguments have

been honestly considered.

     32. Latter Day Saints Messenger and Advocate 1 (Feb. 1835): 78.



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going on in this system, (not this world) almost two thousand five hundred

and fifty five millions of years: and to know at the same time, that deists, geologists

and others are trying to prove that matter must have existed hundreds

of thousands of years;—it almost tempts the flesh to fly to God, or muster

faith like Enoch to be translated.33


    This reference has been cited many times in Mormon literature. Some have used it to indicate that the planet earth is 2.55 billion years old; others, taking careful note of the phrase in parentheses, insist that it

has no such meaning, that it refers to a much larger physical system and has no bearing on the age of the earth. The latter view argues that "not this world" specifically rules out the earth as the object of reference. A

critical examination of terms in Joseph's vocabulary, however, indicates that he made definite distinctions between the terms "earth" and "world": "Earth" was the planet upon which we live, "world" referred to

"the human family."34 One also finds that Joseph did not, in his sermons, utilize these definitions consistently.      The disagreement over the interpretation of the above passage, however, centers on how Phelps meant the term "world"—in the way Joseph had defined it or in some other sense.

     The question is moot, since Phelps nowhere clarified the statement. The very evident context, however, of Phelps's rejoicing over the developing agreement between this statement and the efforts of "geologists" to establish long time-spans gives strong support to those who interpret the statement as applying to the planet Earth. The one certain point that can be drawn from this statement is that Joseph's world view was not

bounded by the orthodox Christian theologies of the day. His mind ranged far more widely, a point that is plentifully evident from even a casual analysis.

     During the nineteenth century subsequent to Joseph's death, one can find many further statements by Mormon authorities pertaining to the age of the earth. A prominent one, taught by certain apostles, was that

the seven days of creation were each 1,000 years in duration, and the earth was therefore approximately 13,000 years old, calculating approximately 6,000 years since the Adamic fall. This concept received limited

support from members of the First Presidency, but their statements carried also a sentiment of very different flavor: The age of the earth was really not known and did not matter; the important thing to realize was


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     33. T&S 5:758, published 1 Jan. 1845. Emphasis and parentheses are in the original.

Certain passages from the D&C will be discussed hereafter.

     34: Statement attributed to Joseph Smith; F. D. Richards and J. A. Little, comps., A

Compendium of the Doctrines of the Gospel, stereotype ed. (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Co.,

1882), 287. An examination of the prophet's speeches indicates that he usually followed this

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that God created it. As Brigham Young expressed it, in a comment fraught with implications:


It is said in this book (the Bible) that God made the earth in six days. This is

a mere term, but it matters not whether it took six days, six months, six

years, or six thousand years. The creation occupied certain periods of time.

We are not authorized to say what the duration of these days was, whether

Moses penned these words as we have them, or whether the translators of

the Bible have given the words their intended meaning. However, God created

the world. If I were a sectarian I would say, according to their philosophy,

as I have heard many of them say hundreds of times, "God created all

things out of nothing; in six days he created the world out of nothing." You

may be assured the Latter-day Saints do not believe any such thing. They believe

God brought forth material out of which he formed this little terra firma

upon which we roam. How long had this material been in existence? Forever

and forever, in some shape, in some condition.35


A further lengthy but valuable passage from Brigham Young voices the same sentiments, amplifies them in regard to the scriptures, and emphasizes that revelations then in possession of the church were insufficient

to settle the matter, and that the truth would be obtained only if God were to give specific revelation on the subject:


It was observed here just now that we differ from the Christian world in our

religious faith and belief; and so we do very materially. I am not astonished

that infidelity prevails to a great extent among the inhabitants of the earth,

for the religious teachers of the people advance many ideas and notions for

truth which are in opposition to and contradict facts demonstrated by science,

and which are generally understood. Says the scientific man, "I do not

see your religion to be true; I do not understand the law, light, rules, religion,

or whatever you call it, which you say God has revealed; it is confusion to

me, and if I submit to and embrace your views and theories I must reject the

facts which science demonstrates to me." This is the position, and the line of

demarcation has been plainly drawn, by those who profess Christianity, between

the sciences and revealed religion. You take, for instance, our geologists,

and they tell us that this earth has been in existence for thousands and

millions of years. They think, and they have good reason for their faith, that

their researches and investigations enable them to demonstrate that this

earth has been in existence as long as they assert it has; and they say, "If the

Lord, as religionists declare, made the earth out of nothing in six days, six

thousands years ago, our studies are all in vain; but by what we can learn

from nature and the immutable laws of the Creator as revealed therein, we

know that your theories are incorrect and consequently we must reject your

religions as false and vain, we must be what you call infidels, with the


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demonstrated truths of science in our possession; or, rejecting those truths,

become enthusiasts in, what you call, Christianity."

In these respects we differ from the Christian world, for our religion will

not clash with or contradict the facts of science in any particular. You may

take geology, for instance, and it is a true science, not that I would say for a

moment that all the conclusions and deductions of its professors are true,

but its leading principles are; they are facts—they are eternal; and to assert

that the Lord made this earth out of nothing is preposterous and impossible.

God never made something out of nothing; it is not in the economy or law

by which the worlds were, are, or will exist. There is an eternity before us,

and it is full of matter; and if we but understand enough of the Lord and his

ways, we would say that he took of this matter and organized this earth

from it. How long it has been organized it is not for me to say, and I do not

care anything about it. As for the Bible account of the creation we may say

that the Lord gave it to Moses, or rather Moses obtained the history and traditions

of the fathers, and from these picked out what he considered necessary,

and that account has been handed down from age to age, and we have

got it, no matter whether it is correct or not, and whether the Lord found the

earth empty and void, whether he made it out of nothing or out of the rude

elements; or whether he made it in six days or in as many millions of years,

is and will remain a matter of speculation in the minds of men unless he give

revelation on the subject. If we understood the process of creation there

would be no mystery about it, it would be all reasonable and plain, for there

is no mystery except to the ignorant. This we know by what we have learned

naturally. . . .36


We need not belabor the issue. While Mormon speakers expressed a diversity of opinions, the First Presidency kept the door open, clearly opposed to orthodox Christian theology, clearly sympathetic to the position of science.


3. FIXITY OF SPECIES


If ever anyone bought a bad deal, it was when the theologians adopted the stance that species do not change, that they remain as "originally created." The irony of the matter is that the concept of species is

not a religious one at all, but an idea prematurely bought from science.

     The Genesis scriptures speak only of "kind," which to this day no one has been able to define.37 Indeed, no one worried much about it until


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     36. JD 14:115-16 (1871). Lest LDS geologists become overly smug from these statements,

however, we point out that they too could share Brigham's disdain, cf. JD, 13:248-49

(1870); Deseret News, 18 June 1873, 308. The statements are still consistent with the above,

however.

     37. There is no legitimate discussion of the word "kind" (Hebrew = min) in biological

terms known to me in Mormon literature. For a beginning discussion, not LDS, see A. J.

Jones, "A General Analysis of the Biblical 'Kind' (Min)," Creation Research Society Quarterly



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about the seventeenth century, when John Ray (1627-1705) and Carl Linne (Linnaeus) (1707-78) laid the foundations of modern taxonomy and systematics.

    Linne's case is particularly instructive. Few men have ever so completely dominated the intellectual thought of the time in which they have lived; he was indeed "a phenomenon rather than a man." His gift and passion for cataloguing organisms was unmatched and contagious.

    Everyone wanted to get into the act, and plants and animals were brought to him from all over the world for proper naming and classification.

    His passion was to name everything, to pigeonhole all living things into the neat compartments he attributed to the Genesis creations. He thus declared a fixity of species, that they were unchangeable entities

each descended from a specific Edenic stock, by whose analysis one caught a glimpse of the Creator at work. However, the concept was an illusion, one which tragically escaped from his control. For it caught the

human fancy, and when in his maturity Linne realized that it was worthless, he was powerless to change its hold upon the human mind. By then it had been seized upon as a classic demonstration of the neatness of creation.

    "Kind" had been construed as meaning "species," and the trap for theologians was thus laid, innocently but nonetheless surely. It was Linne's own fame and prodigious work which sprung the set. Not only did it become painfully evident to anyone who wished to look that there were just too many species to be explained so simply—if Adam had named them all in the Garden, he'd likely be at it yet—but their distributions, their intermediate grades, their hybridizations, were irrefutably beyond so neat a conception.          Yet the damage was done: Theologians would have their species, and they would have them fixed.

Science, self-correcting as it eventually is, finally grew openly beyond the strictures of Linne's early concepts.      Species quite obviously could change, and did, both in time and in space. The battle with theology

was joined after Darwin proposed a mechanism (natural selection) for such change.38

     A very real problem was the lack of an adequate concept of what a species really is. We need not discuss the attempts at definition here, only point out that the concept is problematical. That does not indicate

that species do not exist; they most definitely do. As with many other things, however, precise definitions are virtually impossible, and before


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9, no. 1 (1972): 53-57; and "Boundaries of the Min: An Analysis of the Mosaic Lists of Clean

and Unclean Animals," ibid. 9, no. 2 (1972): 114-23; and references cited therein. Most current

writers consider "kind" to represent a biological grouping at approximately the Family

level in the taxonomic hierarchy; few indeed are those who still try to equate it with

"species."

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one can really understand anyone else on the matter, he must know what definitions are being used.39 Such a common word to hide such complexity! But statements on the subject, without definitions, are virtually

meaningless.

     What position on species fixity was being articulated by the leaders of Mormonism up to and during this critical time? It is readily apparent that the subject hardly ever caught their attention. Casual statements

that God and man are of the same species occur periodically, but beyond that the treatment is sketchy. The following lean sampling represents all the authoritative statements that have come to our attention.

     Speaking on divine decrees, Joseph Smith comments:


The sea also has its bounds which it cannot pass. God has set many signs on

the earth, as well as in the heavens; for instance, the oak of the forest, the

fruit of the tree, the herb of the field—all bear a sign that seed hath been

planted there; for it is a decree of the Lord that every tree, plant, and herb

bearing seed should bring forth of its kind, and cannot come forth after any

other law or principle.40


     No mention here of species at all, just the generic "kind," and no definition of that. For all its looseness, however, a certain sentiment is evidenced which tends to favor some sort of fixity.

     Eighteen years later, in 1860, Brigham Young touched on the subject. In a sermon launched upon the matter of death and the resurrection, he asserts:


The whole Scriptures plainly teach us that we are the children of that God

who framed the world. Let us look round and see whether we can find a father

and son in this congregation. Do we see one an elephant, and the other

a hen? No. Does a father that looks like a human being have a son like an

ape, going on all fours? No; the son looks like his father. There is an endless

variety of distinction in the few features that compose the human face, yet

children have in their countenances and general expression of figure and

temperament a greater or less likeness of their parents. You do not see brutes

spring from human beings. Every species is true to its kind. The children of

men are featured alike and walk erect.41


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     39. Cf. M. Ruse, "Definitions of Species in Biology," British Journal for Philosophy of Science

20 (1969): 97-119, or any good text in systematics or evolution. Also of interest is C.

Zirkle, "Species Before Darwin," Proc. Amer. Philosoph. Soc. 103 (1959): 636-44.

     40. Joseph Smith, as taken from Wilford Woodruff's notes, in HC 4:554, from a speech

delivered 20 March 1842; cf. also B. H. Roberts' qualifying comments on the notes, ibid., 556

n, which must be kept in mind regarding all such speech texts. We have not been able to locate

any earlier published accounts.

     41. JD 8:29-30 (1860).



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     The hyperbole here is evident and, strictly speaking, completely disrupts the point its author is making. As it is, it certainly does not constitute a statement against the scientific version of changes in species. Modern

evolution texts carry many statements concerning developmental canalization and genetic homeostasis which express these same concepts.

     Yet with all that, there is still, in President Young's words, a sentiment toward fixity of species—again subject to whatever is meant by "species."

     These would seem to constitute virtually all the authoritative statements that were applicable during the early Darwinian period. The extreme paucity and ambiguity of such addressments is evident from the

fact that the favorite citation on the subject by current Mormon anti-evolutionists is cited, usually, as one from "President Charles W. Penrose, of the First Presidency." While it is slightly more explicit than the ones we have here discussed, it simply is not admissible, since it was in actuality made by Elder Charles W. Penrose nearly twenty years before he was called to be a general authority, let alone a member of the First Presidency.42

     In summary, the doctrine of species fixity was virtually ignored by official Mormon spokesmen. When they did broach the subject, their statements were very general and in no real way proscriptive from a professional's point of view. The authors were not speaking to professionals, however, and the sentiment of their statements took on the flavor of the theology of their day. In the light of subsequent research and observation, such a sentiment is unfortunate; it mars a rather neat record. It is quite evident, however, that a doctrine of species fixity was not a matter of prime concern in the nineteenth-century church.


4. VITALISM: NECESSITY FOR AN OUTSIDE "SPIRIT" OR VITAL FORCE


While not strictly a product of the Darwinian revolution, and in many ways antedating it, the question of the existence of a vital force became an important part of the discussion surrounding Darwinism. This was particularly true in later years of the furor, when vitalism was offered in various forms as an alternative to the causalistic theories which were more in vogue.43 As with previous topics, our purpose here is only to look at the range of authoritative Mormon expression. We must restrict ourselves to a fairly superficial treatment, although the subject as treated in Mormonism virtually screams for a thorough and searching


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     42. JD 26:20 (1884).

     43. G. G. Simpson, The Meaning of Evolution (New Haven: Yale Univ. Press, 1949), 124-

29, 263-79. Simpson, usually pictured as quite insensitive to religious viewpoints, develops

some concepts of the limitations and implications of materialism which have considerable

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analysis. Also, while it is highly unlikely that any reviewer can wrap it all up in one neat package, it becomes quickly evident to the inquiring student that Mormon spokesmen have glimpsed a view radically different

from the usual Christian positions and their tenets are very poorly appreciated in the church today. This lack of appreciation seems to result more from neglect than from any shift in doctrine. The basic conceptions,

tentative though they are, have become so covered with the cobwebs of time that to most Mormons today even their basic outlines are obscured; the general concept in the church today is essentially standard Christian.

     A recent treatment outlines the basic positions of vitalism and mechanism

thusly:


Life, the subject matter of biology, is a phenomenon intimately connected

with matter. Biology, therefore, must be concerned with the relationship between

matter and the phenomenon we call life. Animate and inanimate

things have matter in common, and it is in their materiality that the two can

best be compared. In this comparison, two theories, vitalism and mechanism,

compete for the mastery. The vitalist sees in a living organism the convergence

of two essentially different factors. For him matter is shaped and

dominated by a life principle; unaided, matter could never give rise to life.

The mechanist, on the other hand, denies any joint action of two essentially

different factors. He holds that matter is capable of giving rise to life by its

own intrinsic forces. The mechanist considers matter to be "alive." The vitalist

considers that something immaterial lives in and through matter.44


     To Mormons, the divergence between the two approaches is best seen in two basic issues: 1) whether an outside force is necessary to make a body "alive," and 2) whether such an outside force is material. The

popular nineteenth-century theological view, of course, was that life is due to a non-material force. Science, profiting from a long series of investigations on spontaneous generation dating primarily from Redi in the seventeenth century to Pasteur and Tyndall in the 1870s, became associated with mechanism (materialism).        The reason for this latter association is not that either view has been rigorously proved. It is rather that

the materialistic view allows experimentation whereas the vitalist view does not, since one is hard pressed to experiment with immaterial "things." As Hardin has so aptly put it: "The mechanistic position, whether it is ultimately proved right or wrong, has been and will continue to be productive of new discoveries. Indeed, if vitalism is ultimately proved to be true, it is the mechanist who will prove it so."45


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     44. R. Schubert-Soldern, Mechanism and Vitalism, Philosophical Aspects of Biology, ed. P.

G. Fothergill (South Bend, Ind.: University of Notre Dame Press, 1962), 10-11.

     45. G. Hardin, Biology, Its Principles and Implications, 2nd ed. (San Francisco: W. H.

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     It is doubtful that anyone can meaningfully pinpoint a consistent Mormon "doctrine" on the matter of spirit, life, vital force, etc. Teachings of the church in the nineteenth century were in a high state of flux when

it came to issues beyond the simple basics. Terms were confused and misused, concepts were loosely defined and highly fragmented, speculation was rife. B. H. Roberts points out quite correctly that Joseph Smith sometimes used the terms "intelligence," "mind," "spirit," and "soul" interchangeably; "Hie," and even "light," could be added to the list as well.46 There is no satisfactory synthesis of the subject, and it is doubtful

that one could be produced. Andrus's imaginative treatment47 is as wide-ranging as any available and should be consulted carefully if for no other reason than its references. Roberts's brief discussion48 is valuable.

     That Mormonism accepts the view that living things possess spirits is well known as a general concept. Man's spirit, of course, is said to be the result of a spirit birth in a pre-mortal state. That "spirit," "spirits,"

("life," etc.), are material is likewise clear: "There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes; . . .it is all matter."49 This canonized statement has been the justification for a long series of missionary tracts and doctrinal assertions that have spelled out very clearly that Mormonism is a materialistic system. There can be no identification whatever

with sentiments of immateriality. Immateriality, to the early Mormons, was virtually synonymous with atheism:      In either case, one ended up with his hopes pinned on nothing. Beyond this point, however, the thinking becomes more tortuous. The philosophically minded Pratt brothers, Orson and Parley, were by far the most expansive and explicit on the matter. Yet certain aspects of Orson's writings eventually drew public denouncement from the First Presidency under Brigham Young.50 Parley's master work, decades after his death, was subjected to a rather unscrupulous editing and reworking, anonymously and without any warning to subsequent readers. Later editions passed off as Parley's some teachings quite foreign to those of

the original text.51 These incidents, as perhaps no others in Mormonism,


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     46. CHC 2:392. A close friend of Joseph Smith's, Benjamin R Johnson, makes the

"light- life-spirit" equation in his 1903 letter to Elder George F. Gibbs, 5, typescript copy;

copy available in Brigham Young University library.

     47. H. L. Andrus, God, Man and the Universe (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1968), 144-92.

     48. CHC 2:381-412, esp. 399-401.

     49. D&C 131:7-8.

     50. Deseret News 10(21):162-63, 25 July 1860, and 14(47):372-73, 23 Aug. 1865; also in J.

R. Clark, Messages of the First Presidency, 2 (1965):214-23, 229-40.

     51. Compare the first edition, Key to the Science of Theology, printed by J. Sadler, Liverpool,

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emphasize the fact that only the First Presidency comprises an authoritative source for doctrinal analysis.

     However, from all the heady teachings on spirit during these decades comes a perception germane to our present consideration. The Pratts worried about the spirit natures of animals and plants, becoming in many ways almost Aristotelean, and these writings were not among those censured. The sentiment went further, to include the earth itself as a living thing by virtue of its having spirit or a spirit; indeed, it was taught that all matter was possessed of spirit, that spirit pervades all matter. The material of the body of a man is thus possessed of spirit independent from his spirit. Spirit or life is thus a property of matter itself.

     From here, we can do no better than to let Brigham Young develop it directly,in an 1856 discourse. Speaking of "natural, true philosophy," and developing the idea that the processes associated with death are really a manifestation of inherent life in matter, he continues:


 What is commonly called death does not destroy the body, it only causes a

separation of spirit and body, but the principle of life, inherent in the native

elements, of which the body is composed, still continues with the particles of

that body and causes it to decay, to dissolve itself into the elements of which

it was composed, and all of which continue to have life. When the spirit

given to man leaves the body, the tabernacle begins to decompose, is that

death? No, death only separates the spirit and body, and a principle of life

still operates in the untenanted tabernacle, but in a different way, and producing

different effects from those observed while it was tenanted by the

spirit. There is not a particle of element which is not filled with life, and all

space is filled with element; there is no such thing as empty space, though

some philosophers contend that there is.

     Life in various proportions, combinations, conditions, etc., fills all matter.

Is there life in a tree when it ceases to put forth leaves? You see it standing

upright, and when it ceases to bear leaves and fruit you say it is dead,

but that is a mistake. It still has life, but that life operates upon the tree in another

way, and continues to operate until it resolves it to the native elements.

It is life in another condition that begins to operate upon man, upon animal,

upon vegetation, and upon minerals when we see the change termed dissolution.

There is life in the material of the fleshly tabernacle, independent of

the spirit given of God to undergo this probation. There is life in all matter,

throughout the vast extent of all the eternities; it is in the rock, the sand, the

dust, in water, air, the gases, and, in short, in every description and organization

of matter, whether it be solid, liquid, or gaseous, particle operating

with particle.52


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  52. JD 3:276-77 (1856). Benjamin F. Johnson, letter to Elder George F. Gibbs, 5-6, indicates

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    Elsewhere President Young repeatedly refers to "organization" as a key factor in determining differences in life quality53 Taken with the concepts above, such teachings bear a striking resemblance to those of the mechanists-materialists. To the mechanist, life is an expression of a unique combination or organization of matter. To President Young, all matter has life as an inherent property, and organization is the key to its

different manifestations. To both, life is an expression of matter. At this most fundamental of levels, the differences between science and Mormonism, as taught by Brigham Young, are reduced to mere semantics.

     The points of agreement are profound. President Young's entire philosophy, to be sure, ranges far beyond matters that are in the realm of science either then or now, but at the fundamental level, at the point of contact, they are in essential agreement. Should Mormonism then have taken the

field against the materialism of science? Scarcely.


5. SPECIAL CREATION OF MAN


     Here we venture into the hottest point of discussion. In The Origin, Darwin marshaled one powerful argument after another for the evolution of plant and animal species from earlier forms. Only one sentence,

on the penultimate page, was directed to man: "Much light will be thrown on the origin of man and his history." Although Darwin himself was not yet ready to tackle this problem of ultimate concern, others were

not so retiring. The issue was quickly joined, with Huxley and others insisting that man's body was related to and derived from other life forms, and the theologians of the day insisting with equal vehemence that the

body was the result of a special creative act, independently developed from the dust of the ground by the shaping hand of the Creator, and activated by "the breath of life." Mormons accept as part of their canon the

same scripture-text on this matter as was utilized by the orthodox theologians, of course, that of the King James rendition, Genesis 2:7. The Book of Abraham, first published in the Times and Seasons in 1842 and

canonized in 1880, expresses virtually the same thought as Genesis (cf. 5:7). The Book of Moses, proclaimed as a revealed restoration of the Genesis text, dating from 1830 and also canonized on 1880, is the most explicit of the three: 'And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also;..." (Moses 3:7). A literal reading of the passage lends itself to no other interpretation at all but that of the special creationists; it is clearly stated, and proscriptive of any other interpretation. The fascinating point, however, is that


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with the possible exception of Apostle Orson Pratt, no major Mormon spokesman seems to have taken the full passage literally.54 The intense scriptural literalism with which some current writers try to paint LDS

presidents falls apart completely on this and related passages.

     No president or member of the First Presidency, so far as we have been able to discover, has ever accepted the idea of special creation of man's body, or of anything else, for that matter. An examination of

Joseph Smith's teachings reveals an idea, never expressed in detail, that man came via an act of natural procreation. That sentiment runs generally through the teachings of his successors,55 but we shall find that it is not so clearly spelled out as some have assumed. If by a natural act of procreation, then from whom, and by what specific natural process? For "natural processes," as we shall see, encompass a wide variety of possibilities. To assist the focus of our inquiry, we shall refine the question to: Whence came man's body?

     Joseph's clearest statement on the matter seems to be: "Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into

existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way."56

     Under Brigham Young's administration, however, more specific teachings were developed. Beginning in 1852, the same year that plural marriage was openly acknowledged to the world, President Young himself

served notice of a new doctrine in Mormonism: that Adam and Eve were resurrected beings, exalted to Godhood from a mortality on another and older sphere. They had produced the spirits of all men, and had then come to this earth, degraded their "celestial" bodies so that they could produce the bodies of Abel, Cain, Seth, et al.57 In short, Adam in


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     54. In H. B. Lee, "Find the Answers in the Scriptures," Ensign 2, no. 12 (Dec. 1972): 2-

3, there does appear a passage which seems to imply an authoritative acceptance of the literal

interpretation of Moses 3:7. Correspondence which we are not at liberty to release,

however, indicates that this should not be construed as a pronouncement of any particular

interpretation or doctrinal position.

     55. E.g., from Brigham Young, JD 3:319 (1856); 4:216-18 (1857); 7:285 (1859); 15:137

(1872).

     56. HC 6:476, a speech by Joseph Smith dated 16 June 1844, as taken from notes by

Thomas Bullock. We have not been able to locate any earlier published sources. Cf. also n.

40.

     57. We are well aware of the intense arguments and deeply held opinions revolving

around this doctrine and the current propensity to deny that it was ever taught. There can

be no justification for denying its historical reality; it is too well documented and was

taught by Brigham Young from 1852 until his death in 1877 (cf. R. Turner, "The Position of

Adam in Latter-day Saint Scripture and Theology," master's thesis, Division of Religion,

Brigham Young University, 1953). A more recent and thorough account is O. Kraut,

Michael/Adam, n.d., n.p., but published in 1972. Both sources discuss reactions of church

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President Young's views occupied essentially the same place reserved by modern church members for Elohim; Elohim was regarded as the Grandfather in Heaven, rather than Father. We needn't concern ourselves here with the details of the doctrine, only that Adam was purported to have had a resurrected body, and to have begun the family of man by direct sexual union and procreation.

     The response of church members to the doctrine, however, is of importance to us. With most, the concept does not seem to have been well received. Indeed, President Young's public sermons on the matter

quickly began to skirt the issue, referring to it continually but obliquely. In private, he and his colleagues taught it affirmatively.58 With rare


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attempt to prove that Brigham Young taught only doctrine which is currently orthodox are

driven to an inexcusable exercise of freedom in interpreting, and even a doctoring of, his

sermons; e.g., J. A. Widtsoe, comp., Discourses of Brigham Young, 159,1925 edition. These errors

are resolutely compounded and further promulgated by Joseph Fielding Smith, e.g.,

Answers to Gospel Questions (1966), 5:121-28, excerpted in the 1972-73 Melchizedek priesthood

manual, 20-22. Compare, for example, the quote from JD 9:148 in its original form and

as printed by Widtsoe, by Smith (124), and in the priesthood manual (22).

     We do not contend that President Young's concepts concerning Adam are an accurate

representation of the concepts of other LDS presidents or that they are to be accepted as

basic church doctrine. That to President Young, Adam was a resurrected being is clear:


     The mystery in this, as with miracles, or anything else, is only to those who are ignorant. Father

     Adam came here, and then they brought his wife. "Well," says one, "Why was Adam called

     Adam"? He was the first man on the earth, and its framer and maker. He, with the help of his

     brethren, brought it into existence. Then he said, "I want my children who are in the spirit world

     to come and live here. I once dwelt upon an earth something like this, in a mortal state, I was faithful,

     I received my crown and exaltation. I have the privilege of extending my work, and to its increase

     there will be no end. I want my children that were born to me in the spirit world to come

     here and take tabernacles of flesh, that their spirits may have a house, a tabernacle or a dwelling

     place as mine has, and where is the mystery?" (Deseret News, 22:308, 18 June 1873, reporting a

     speech of 8 June 1873).


However, later presidents did not share this view. Nels Nelson, What Truth Is (Salt Lake

City: Stevens and Wallis, Inc., 1947), 60-61, reports that his request to President John Taylor

for information on the subject elicited a reply which "told me without qualification that

Adam and Eve while in the Garden of Eden were translated human beings.'" A similar request

for more information on the subject from Bishop Joseph H. Eldredge of Myton, Utah,

to President Heber J. Grant was answered, stating: "If what is meant is that Adam has

passed on to celestial glory through a resurrection before he came here, and that afterwards

he was appointed to this earth to die again, the second time becoming mortal, then it is not

scriptural or according to the truth. . . .Adam had not passed through the resurrection."

The letter, signed by President Grant and dated 26 February 1931, is published in James R.

Clark, Messages of the First Presidency, 5 (1971):289-90. Typescript copies, usually dated erroneously

1936, and carrying the signatures of both President Grant and David O. McKay

(his counselor) have been widely circulated in church circles for many years. Such differences

in viewpoint should not be upsetting to those who have studied their church history,

but should serve as a caution to all who are tempted to teach any given doctrine about

Adam as "the church view." Consider also the message of J. Reuben Clark, Jr., n. 6.

     58. Cf. Turner, "The Position of Adam," and/or Kraut, Michael/Adam (n. 57), for appropriate

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exceptions, the writings and sermons of Mormons in general just avoided the entire issue, or couched it in the vague terms characteristic of the scriptures, and offered no commentary. The matter of Adam and Adam's body was left essentially undeveloped.

     There was one notable exception: Orson Pratt, the apostle. On this matter, at least, Orson seems to have accepted the scriptures quite literally, and could not reconcile them with the doctrine from President

Young. Beginning in 1853, he published a periodical entitled The Seer, and in its pages promulgated a doctrine that sounded far too much like special creation. Articles from The Seer were republished in England in the pages of the Millennial Star, a situation not pleasing to the church presidency. As early as January 1855, Brigham Young requested the editor of the Star to refrain from any further publication of material from

The Seer, citing "erroneous doctrine" as the reason.59

    Five years later, Orson Pratt himself brought the matter into the open, in a dramatic sermon during the regular Sunday morning worship service in the Salt Lake Tabernacle, January 29, 1860. Confessing the

error of his ways, Orson sued for reconciliation to the church and to his brethren of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and the First Presidency.

     A few months later a "carefully revised" version of his speech was published in the Deseret News, followed by a formal statement from the First Presidency, listing several explicit errors in Orson's writings.60      The first item cited was the matter of Orson's teachings concerning Adam's having been formed "out of the ground." While the teachings were summarily dismissed with the statement that they were not true, President Young refrained from imposing his own doctrine on the church. The refutation simply states that, with regard to Adam,


it is deemed wisest to let that subject remain without further explanation at

present, for it is written that we are to receive "line upon line," according to

our faith and capacities, and the circumstances attending our progress.


     The careful handling of this matter by President Young is significant. What was the church to believe? Orson's teachings had been refuted, but nothing had been specified in their place, and no further pronouncements of any official character to clarify the matter were forthcoming

throughout the remainder of the century.

     Where, then, in the early days of the debates between science and theology, did Mormonism find its closest affinities? On our first doctrine,


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    59. Millennial Star 17:297-98 (1855).

     60. Deseret News 10921):162-63, 25 July 1860. The First Presidency's statement was

reprinted as part of the 1865 refutation also, cf. n. 50. The "revised" version of Pratt's sermon

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ex nihilo creation, Mormonism was clearly allied with science. The matter of the earth's age was an open one, that of fixity of species virtually ignored, that of materialism and vital forces in a state of flux but with certain definite fundamental agreement with science. Only on the subject of special creation could Mormonism be tied in any significant way to orthodox Christianity, and even that was tenuous. Darwin's book, as we have noted, was published November 24, 1859. Just sixty-six days later, on January 29, 1860, Orson Pratt began the severing of that one tie. The closeness of the dates is almost certainly coincidental, since (among other reasons) news traveled slowly to Utah in those days; Orson's action is not to be viewed as a response to Darwinism. Yet, in retrospect, his action (and the First Presidency's response) was significant nonetheless.

     The incident may well have put a damper on further doctrinal development. It is certain that, considering the duration and intensity of the debate in non-Mormon theological circles, nineteenth-century Mormonism

produced relatively little in the way of relevant commentary. Let us shift now, in our inquiry, from the study of basic Mormon teachings applicable at the time of Darwin's book, to a documentation of subsequent

pertinent commentary and response.

     In 1882 President John Taylor published his Mediation and Atonement, in which he makes probably the strongest statement by any president favoring the fixity of species,61 thus inching the church toward the theologians' position. However, during the following year, his first counselor, George Q. Cannon, twice reaffirmed the sentiment of Brigham Young that the creation periods were "periods of time," and that Joseph Smith had anticipated science on the matter of the earth's age. Rejoicing that science was bolstering the prophet, Cannon summarizes: "Geologists have declared it, and religious people are adopting it; and so the world is progressing."62 But Cannon was eclectic in his beliefs; acceptance of an old earth was not to be taken as an acceptance of Darwinism, at least so far as it applied to man. In an editorial in 1883, he made it clear that he regarded belief in "Darwin's theories concerning the origin of man" as evidence of spiritual apostasy.63 This sentiment is not surprising, since Cannon had often expressed himself in similar vein before being called


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     61. J. Taylor, Mediation and Atonement (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Co., 1882, 163-

165; repr. Salt Lake City: Stevens and Wallis, Inc., 1950), 159-60.

     62. JD 24:61, cf. also 24:257 (1883).

     63. Juvenile Instructor 18:191, 15 June 1883. President Cannon appears to have addressed

essentially the same theme in his Founder's Day speech at the Brigham Young

Academy (University) in 1896. The best account I have been able to locate of this speech

quotes Cannon only "in substance," however, so it is impossible to determine his exact

statements. The basic stance, however, is anti-evolutionary, at least with respect to human

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to the First Presidency,64 and was a firm believer in the Adamic doctrines taught by President Young.65

     The general feeling of the church in the latter 1800s, however, was that science would continue to demonstrate the validity of the Mormon positions. Indeed, a rather heady flirtation with science affixed itself on the church. The church hierarchy seems to have rejoiced at the goodwill generated by James E. Talmage's reception in scientific circles, his participation and membership in esteemed societies, and his trips to England

and Russia. In 1896 Talmage became the holder of Mormonism's first real doctorate degree. In 1899 he was joined in this doctorate distinction by John A. Widtsoe and Joseph F. Merrill. All three of these physical scientists later became prominent apostles and articulate spokesmen in the church.

     So closed the 1800s, and Mormonism, past the major hurdles in her long political feud over plural marriage, and newly sequestered under the government of statehood, plunged with high anticipations into the

twentieth century.

     Davis Bitton66 has rightly pinpointed these years, the turn of the century, as a period critical in Mormonism, during which the prevailing optimism toward science and reason began to erode. Yet this cooling of ardor must not be over-rated; the antagonism which has seemed to pervade

recent times is seen more correctly for science, at least, as a product of only the last couple of decades.

     The Improvement Era, in the early years of the century, regularly ran articles by Talmage, Widtsoe, Frederick Pack, and others extolling areas of agreement between science and Mormon theology. These articles show a degree of caution and sensitivity toward evolution that is quite commendable. The distinction between evolution per se and Darwinism was periodically noted, a point which many later writers seem to have missed. The then recent re-discovery of Mendel's paper and the principles of genetics, and the question of their compatibility with Darwinism, were sensed, and watched with interest, but the concept that science and Mormonism were a basic unity is evident throughout; it forms the dominant

theme.

     The year 1909 marks a particularly significant occasion, the centennial of Darwin's birth as well as the fiftieth anniversary of the publication of The Origin of Species. The scientific literature had been building


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     64. See, for example, Millennial Star 23:651-54,12 Oct. 1861.

     65. Cf. Turner, "The Position of Adam," and/or Kraut, Michael/Adam (n. 57), and

"Journal of Abraham H. Cannon," entries of 10 March 1888 and 23 June 1889; originals in

BYU Library.

     66. D. Bitton, 'Anti-Intellectualism in Mormon History," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon

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toward the event for several years. Debates on the "current status of Darwinism," its validity in areas of concern other than biology, its relation to religion, philosophy, etc., abounded in the lay literature as

well. Centennial celebrations were held in both Europe and America; thePontifical Biblical Commission, appointed in 1902 by Pope Leo XIII, finally issued its long-awaited report on the interpretation of Genesis.        In Mormonism the atmosphere was quieter, but the discussion was not ignored. The YMMIA manual for the year (Joseph Smith as Scientist, by Widtsoe)67 reaffirmed the ideas concerning the age of the earth that were taught earlier by Brigham Young and others, that the earth was very old, and that the creative days were indefinite periods. The manual evoked a series of questions on the matter to church headquarters, which were discussed in a special column of the Improvement Era. The managing editor, Edward H. Anderson, defended the manual, contending that the verses of D&C 77:12, cited by questioners in support of a young-Earth theory, did not apply to the subject in any meaningful way at all, and

turned the column over to Widtsoe for further discussion. Widtsoe proceeded to dismiss the twenty-four-hour-day view, the 1,000-year-day concept, the D&C 77:6, 7, 12, argument, as well as the theory attributed to Joseph Smith that the earth had been formed of fragments of other worlds.68 The following month's issue published as its lead article an essay by Apostle Charles W. Penrose entitled, "The Age and Destiny of the Earth," which also argued for an old earth of indefinite age.69 Then in November 1909, the first formal statement on evolution from the First Presidency was published, signed by Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund.70 Entitled "The Origin of Man," it is widely cited by some individuals in the church as "the official pronouncement against evolution." A more honest appraisal of the text, its background, and its meaning to later presidents, indicates that such a judgment is inaccurate.

    The document is carefully and sensitively worded. Its message is an affirmation that man is the spirit child of divine parentage, is in the image of God both in body and spirit, and that all men are descendants of a

common ancestor, Adam. Lengthy scriptural passages are cited in affir-


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     67. J. A. Widtsoe, Joseph Smith As Scientist, A Contribution to Mormon Philosophy (Salt

Lake City: The General Board [of the] Young Men's Mutual Improvement Associations,

1908).

     68. "Editor's Table," Era 12:489-94, Apr. 1909.

     69. Era 12:505-509, May 1909, a reprint from the 11 Feb. 1909 Millennial Star.

     70. Era 13:75-81, Nov. 1909; also in J. R. Clark, Messages of the First Presidency, 4

(1970):199-206. Actually, this statement is the work of a special committee appointed for its

production. James E. Talmage, not yet one of the general authorities, was a member, and

records meeting with the committee on the dates of 27 and 30 Sept. 1909 to consider the

document (cf. "Personal Journal of James Edward Talmage," 12:91-92, under the above

dates, originals in BYU library).



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mation of man's divine spiritual pedigree. And the origin of man's physical body? Three paragraphs are relevant, and form the crux of the matter; we shall denote them paragraphs 12 to 14:71


 Adam, our great progenitor, "the first man," was, like Christ, a pre-existent

spirit, and like Christ he took upon him an appropriate body, the body

of a man, and so became a "living soul." The doctrine of the pre-existence—

revealed so plainly, particularly in latter days, pours a wonderful flood of

light upon the otherwise mysterious problem of man's origin. It shows that

man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to

maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the

earth in a temporal body to undergo an experience in mortality. It teaches

that all men existed in the spirit before any man existed in the flesh, and that

all who have inhabited the earth since Adam have taken bodies and become

souls in like manner.

It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth, and

that the original human being was a development from lower orders of the

animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the

Lord declares that Adam was "the first man of all men" (Moses 1:34), and we

are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race. It

was shown to the brother of Jared that all men were created in the beginning

after the image of God; and whether we take this to mean the spirit or the

body, or both, it commits us to the same conclusion: Man began life as a

human being, in the likeness of our heavenly Father.

True it is that the body of man enters upon its career as a tiny germ or

embryo, which becomes an infant, quickened at a certain stage by the spirit

whose tabernacle it is, and the child after being born, develops into a man.

There is nothing in this, however, to indicate that the original man, the first

of our race, began life as anything less than a man, or less than the human

germ or embryo that becomes a man.72


The anti-evolutionary sentiment is evident, though guarded. Did the article really constitute an authoritative pronouncement against evolution as a possibility for the origin of man's body? The likelihood that it

did was strengthened by a statement in the 1910 manual for the priests of the Aaronic priesthood, which indicated that man's "descent has not been from a lower form of life, but from the Highest Form of Life; in


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     71. This numbering counts only the paragraphs of the actual text; scriptural quotations

are not counted. J. R. Clark, who does count them separately, would refer to these

paragraphs as 30- 32 (cf. Messages of the First Presidency, 5 (1971):243).

     72. When this statement was reprinted in Joseph Fielding Smith, Man His Origin and

Destiny (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1954), the phrase "primal parent of our race" was

changed to read "primal parent of the race," cf. 354; and it continues to be quoted thus incorrectly

in other Mormon works. To some students, this represents an alteration in meaning.

Whether it would have been so interpreted by the 1909 First Presidency, however, is

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other words, man is, in the most literal sense, a child of God. This is not only true of the spirit of man, but of his body also. There never was a time, probably, in all the eternities of the past, when there was not men

or children of God. This world is only one of many worlds which have been created by the Father through His Only Begotten."73

     However, the statement continues in a markedly less definitive vein: 'Adam, then, was probably not the first mortal man in the universe, but he was likely the first for this earth." Two pages later, the tone of indefiniteness is further continued as a matter of reasoning:


One of the important points about this topic is to learn, if possible, how

Adam obtained his body of flesh and bones. There would seem to be but one

natural and reasonable explanation, and that is, that Adam obtained his

body in the same way Christ obtained his—and just as all men obtain

theirs—namely, by being born of woman.

     "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son

also." (Doc. & Cov. 130:22). Then what is more natural than to conclude that

the offspring of such Beings would have bodies of flesh and bones? Like

begets like.74


Such sentiments were certain to evoke questions from church members, and it was equally certain that they had to be handled at the highest level of the church, the president's office. Once again, the Improvement

Era was the platform of response, in an editorial that has, so far as we can find, not been further commented on to this day. Joseph F. Smith, as president of the church, and Edward H. Anderson, were the editors. We

quote it in toto, from the columns relegated to instructions to the priesthood:



Origin of Man—"In just what manner did the mortal bodies of Adam

and Eve come into existence on this earth?" This question comes from several

High Priests' quorums.

Of course all are familiar with the statements in Genesis 1:26,27; 2:7; also

in the Book of Moses, Pearl of Great Price, 2 :27; and in the Book of Abraham

5:7. The latter statement reads: 'And the Gods formed man from the dust of


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     73. Divine Mission of the Savior, Course of Study for the. . .Priests (2nd year), prepared and

issued under the direction of the general authorities of the church (1910), 35. The statement

to this point was reprinted in the Church News, 19 Sept. 1936, p. 8, and is often quoted as

though complete in itself.

     74. Ibid., 17. The manual at this point cites three statements, one each from Brigham

Young (JD 1:50); Parley P. Pratt (Key to Theology); and Orson Pratt (JD 21:201). No attempt is

made in the manual to capture the complete thought of these statements; particularly the

sermons of President Young and Orson Pratt reveal some fundamental differences in total

content and concept. In fairness, it must also be admitted that major sentiments in both

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the ground, and took his spirit (that is, the man's spirit) and put it into him; and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul."


These are the authentic statements of the scriptures, ancient and modern,

and it is best to rest with these, until the Lord shall see fit to give more

light on the subject. Whether the mortal bodies of man evolved in natural

processes to present perfection, through the direction and power of God;

whether the first parents of our generations, Adam and Eve, were transplanted

from another sphere, with immortal tabernacles, which became corrupted

through sin and the partaking of natural foods, in the process of time;

whether they were born here in mortality, as other mortals have been, are

questions not fully answered in the revealed word of God. For helpful discussion

of the subject, see Improvement Era, Vol. XI, August 1908, No. 10,

page 778, article, "Creation and Growth of Adam"; also article by the First

Presidency, "Origin of Man," Vol. XIII, No. 1, page 75,1909.75


For clarification, the August 1908 article referred to was a response to a question raised about an even earlier article. The author of the two pieces, William Halls, had contended that Adam could not have been

created full-grown, but must have gone through a natural childhood and adolescence. When pushed for documentation by Era readers who felt that such a view was incompatible with scriptural literalism, he answered, in the article cited by the editorial, that he could not document it, but that "When a passage of scripture taken literally contradicts a fundamental, natural law, I take it as allegorical; and in the absence of divine authority, put a construction on it that seems to harmonize with my experience

and reason."

     So ended the matter, apparently, so far as Joseph R Smith was concerned: The editorial listed three options, and it is evident that not one of them agrees with a literal interpretation of Moses 3:7 or other such creation passages.

     The Improvement Era continued to publish articles on science and the gospel (mostly articles by Frederick Pack, a University of Utah geology professor) until April 1911. A few months before, the very touchy matter of academic freedom in the church school system had reared its head, regarding the propriety of teaching ". . .the theories of evolution as at present set forth in the text books, and also theories relating to the Bible known as 'higher criticism'. . ." President Smith, in a special editorial,76 reported to the church on the matter. He indicated that "it is well known


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     75. Era 13:570, Apr. 1910.

     76. Era 14:548-51, Apr. 1911. Further details of the case are found in R. V. Chamberlin,

Life and Philosophy of W. H. Chamberlin (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1925), 140f. In

this rather trying incident, three BYU faculty members, Henry Peterson, Joseph Peterson,

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that evolution and the 'higher criticism'—though perhaps containing many truths—are in conflict on some matters with the scriptures, including some modern revelation/' and finally concluded:


. . .[I]t appears a waste of time and means, and detrimental to faith and religion

to enter too extensively into the undemonstrated theories of men on

philosophies relating to the origin of life, or the methods adopted by an Alwise

Creator in peopling the earth with the bodies of men, birds and beasts.

Let us rather turn our abilities to the practical analysis of the soil. . . .


A companion editorial from President Smith was aimed more directly at the youth of the church and appeared in The Juvenile Instructor. Although more general in its approach, it makes a finer distinction between the president's personal feelings and the church position. His private views seem to be embodied in the following passage:


They [students] are not old enough or learned enough to discriminate, or

put proper limitations upon a theory which we believe is more or less a fallacy.

In reaching the conclusion that evolution would be best left out of discussions

in our Church schools we are deciding a question of propriety and

are not undertaking to say how much of evolution is true, or how much is

false. We think that while it is a hypothesis, on both sides of which the most

eminent scientific men of the world are arrayed, that it is folly to take up its

discussion in our institutions of learning, and we cannot see wherein such

discussions are likely to promote the faith of our young people.

However, he clearly spelled out the church position on the matter:

The Church itself has no philosophy about the modus operandi employed by

the Lord in His creation of the world, and much of the talk therefore about

the philosophy of Mormonism is altogether misleading.77


     With these deliverances, President Smith let the matter rest. No further clarification of his sentiments regarding the mechanism of creation was given, though certainly this was a golden opportunity if ever one

existed.

     Two years later, in a conference address in Arizona, President Smith delivered himself of one further comment:


Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman and God,

the Father, was born of woman. Adam, our earthly parent, was also born of

woman into this world, the same as Jesus and you and I.78


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     77. Juvenile Instructor 46 (4):208-209, Apr. 1911.

     78. Deseret News, 27 Dec. 1913, sec. Ill, p. 7; reprinted in the Church News, 19 Sept.

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     When? How? And of whom? The statement is consistent with all three of the 1910 options, and these and further questions about Joseph F. Smith's beliefs on the matter can be answered only by extensive and tenuous proof-texting, a well-known and notoriously unreliable method.

     Certain it is that he, one of the most scripturally committed of all LDS presidents, remained consistent with his predecessors and officially left the matter open and unresolved. Articles in the Improvement Era ranged widely over the issue, from condemnations of the whole idea of evolution to accounts of dinosaur digging, but no further authoritative statements were made until 1925, during the administration of President

Heber J. Grant.

    That was the year of the famous Scopes trial in Dayton, Tennessee. Young John Scopes, a high school science teacher, was charged with the teaching of evolution, forbidden by state law. At least, Scopes was the

formal defendant; the trial really developed into a classic confrontation between fundamentalist theology and contemporary science. The event was a news highlight of the year, with correspondents from around the

world converging on the tiny town for the great showdown. Religious spokesmen of many persuasions felt disposed to deliver themselves of commentary on the matter.79 During the post-trial period came the document: " 'Mormon' View of Evolution," published over the signatures of Heber J. Grant, Anthony W. Ivins, and Charles W. Nibley, the LDS First Presidency.80 In essence, it consists of paragraphs 3, 6, 7,12,16, and 17 of the 1909 statement by Joseph F. Smith et al., with only a very few changes in text: deletion of a word or two, addition of several words for clarification, etc. Paragraphs 13 and 14, the "anti-evolution" ones (quoted above), are conspicuously absent. The entire message of the statement is to affirm

the spiritual pedigree of man and the common descent of all men from an ancestor named Adam, who had taken upon himself "an appropriate body."

     As in its 1909 predecessor, the word "evolution" or its derivatives occurs only once, to the effect that man, formed in the image of God, "is


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     79. The best single account is L. S. deCamp, The Great Monkey Trial (Garden City, N.Y.:

Doubleday and Co. Inc., 1968).

     80. Era 28:1090-1091, Sept. 1925. The understandable sympathy of the LDS people for

the general religious position in the 1925 Scopes episode is reflected in the remarks of various

speakers, both general authorities and otherwise, during the October general conference

(cf. LDS General Conference Reports, Oct. 1925). Of the First Presidency, however, counselor

Charles W. Nibley made no reference to the matter; President Heber J. Grant went no

further than to recall favorable impressions of William Jennings Bryan, the chief religious

spokesman (and prosecutor) at the Scopes trial, who died shortly after the trial. Anthony

W. Ivins, first counselor, addressed the topic of evolution directly and at some length, essentially

articulating a middle-of-the-road position. The speech (ibid., 19-28) is too loaded

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capable, by experience through ages and aeons, of evolving into a God." Seen against the background of the theological ferment of the day, this is an amazingly temperate document; none of the sloganeering and overdrawn rhetoric characteristic of the day, just a calm focusing on the critical matter of man's spiritual affinity with God. The church was concerned for the well-being of religion in general, and thus sympathized

with the plight of the religionists, but it could ill afford any extreme statements in the matter.

    The subsequent years of calm were broken in 1930, although the resulting perturbation was kept quietly within the closed circle of the general authorities. The relatively young apostle, Joseph Fielding Smith, delivered a lecture to the Genealogical Conference on April 5. In his characteristic style, he enthusiastically delivered himself of his thoughts on the creation of man, acknowledging that "The Lord has not seen fit to

tell us definitely just how Adam came for we are not ready to receive that truth." Yet he also spelled out very clearly a disbelief in "pre-Adamites," peoples of any sort upon the earth before Adam, declaring that ". . .the

doctrine of 'pre-Adamites' is not a doctrine of the Church, and is not advocated nor countenanced in the Church." Furthermore,


There was no death in the earth before the fall of Adam. .. .All life in the sea,

the air, on the earth, was without death. Animals were not dying. Things

were not changing as we find them changing in this mortal existence, for

mortality had not come.81


    Shortly after the publication of the speech, these concepts became a bone of contention: Brigham H. Roberts, the long-standing apologist of the church, directly challenged the legitimacy of the remarks, in a letter to the First Presidency. Both Roberts and Smith were given opportunity to present their positions, both orally and in writing, to the Twelve and the presidency. Roberts developed his ideas primarily from scripture, from science, and from Apostle Orson Hyde and President Brigham Young.

    Smith also used scripture, but leaned heavily on the Adam teachings of Orson Pratt, and on paragraph 13 of the 1909 statement of the First Presidency.

    This last item comprised his major piece of evidence. At last, convinced that continuation of the discussion would be fruitless, the First Presidency issued a seven-page directive to the other general authorities,

reviewing in detail the entire discussion as described and then stating:


The statement made by Elder Smith that the existence of pre-Adamites is not

a doctrine of the Church is true. It is just as true that the statement: "There


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     81. Joseph Fielding Smith, "Faith Leads to a Fulness of Truth and Righteousness,"

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were not pre-Adamites upon the earth," is not a doctrine of the Church. Neither

side of the controversy has been accepted as a doctrine at all.

Both parties make the scripture and the statements of men who have

been prominent in the affairs of the Church the basis of their contention; neither

has produced definite proof in support of his views.

.. .Upon the fundamental doctrines of the Church we are all agreed. Our

mission is to bear the message of the restored gospel to the people of the

world. Leave Geology, Biology, Archaeology and Anthropology, no one of

which has to do with the salvation of the souls of mankind, to scientific research,

while we magnify our calling in the realm of the Church.82


In addition to this written directive, the First Presidency called a special meeting of all the general authorities, the day after general conference closed, to discuss the matter and deliver oral counsel. Apostle James E. Talmage records the following account of the meeting:


 Involved in this question [Roberts's original query] is that of the beginning

of life upon the earth, and as to whether there was death either of animal or

plant before the fall of Adam, on which proposition Elder Smith was very

pronounced in denial and Elder Roberts equally forceful in the affirmative.

As to whether Preadamite races existed upon the earth there has been much

discussion among some of our people of late. The decision reached by the

First Presidency, and announced to this morning's assembly, was in answer

to a specific question that obviously the doctrine of the existence of races of

human beings upon the earth prior to the fall of Adam was not a doctrine of

the Church; and, further, that the conception embodied in the belief of many

to the effect that there were no such Preadamite races, and that there was no

death upon the earth prior to Adam's fall is likewise declared to be no doctrine

of the Church. I think the decision of the First Presidency is a wise one

in the premises. This is one of the many things upon which we cannot preach

with assurance and dogmatic assertions on either side are likely to do harm

rather than good.83


     The two contestants, Roberts and Smith, were thus directed to drop the matter, and publication of a major manuscript previously written by Elder Roberts dealing with the subject (among others) was proscribed.

     However, this proscription left the public record with only one side of the story, the speech of Elder Smith, which in many ways is an avowal of the position of the nineteenth-century theologians. Not everyone in


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     82. Typescript copy in author's possession, 7 pp. Cf. also n. 54, which relates to a 1972

commentary on the question of pre-Adamites.

     83. "Personal Journal of James Edward Talmage," 29:42, under date of 7 Apr. 1930; cf.

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the governing quorums of the church was content with such a situation. Nor was the record long in being balanced. On Sunday, August 9, 1931, Apostle Talmage took the stand in the Salt Lake Tabernacle worship service, and there delivered an address: "The Earth and Man."84 Talmage's position, in light of the above restriction from the First Presidency, was admittedly a bit presumptive, which likely accounts for some of the

characteristics of the text. The speech as we now have it in printed form is a rather neat bit of nimble footwork, a careful avoidance of any explicit stance that would come into direct conflict with particular sensitivities on the issue. Affirming his deep belief in the ultimate synthesis of God's word in both the rocks and the scriptures, Talmage promulgated a clear message of sensitivity to, and reception of, science and the scientific method—a point which is amply recognized in the vigorous, even scathing, denunciations of his speech by certain later commentators.

     Careful though he was, at least the public record was now more balanced, and Talmage (as was customary) sent a copy of the manuscript to the printers for publication.

    From certain quarters within the Twelve, however, opposition developed to the speech's publication. The subject was a matter of consideration in at least four subsequent meetings of the Twelve and/or the First

Presidency, but eventually the First Presidency after going over the manuscript very carefully with Elder Talmage, directed him to send it back to the publisher for inclusion in the next Church News. Furthermore, they instructed him to have it published also as a separate pamphlet, to be available upon request from the church offices. Both publications were released to the public November 21, 1931, and the speech has since

enjoyed a long and favorable treatment from the Mormon publishing fraternity.85


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    84. J. E. Talmage, "The Earth and Man," Church News, 21 Nov. 1931, 7-8. In pamphlet

form, it was "Published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," 16 pp. The

speech has been republished various times, including by BYU Extension Publications, and

was most recently published in the Instructor 100 (12): 474-77, Dec. 1965, and 101 (1):9-11,

15, Jan. 1966.

     85. Cf. n. 84. Elder Talmage discusses the matter thusly in his journal, after reviewing

the Roberts-Smith episode:

     Many of our students have inferred from Elder Smith's address that the Church refuses to

recognize the findings of science if there be a word in scriptural record in our interpretation of

which we find even a seeming conflict with scientific discoveries or deductions, and that therefore

the "policy" of the Church is in effect opposed to scientific research.

     In speaking at the Tabernacle on August 9 last I had not forgotten that in the pronouncement

of the First Presidency mentioned under date of April 7 last it was advised and really required that

the General Authorities of the Church refrain from discussing in public, that is preaching, the debatable

subject of the existence of human kind upon the earth prior to the beginning of Adamic

history as recorded in scripture; but, I had been present at a consultation in the course of which

the First Presidency had commented somewhat favorably upon the suggestion that sometime,



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    The resulting stalemate continued for over two decades. Cognizant of the fact that writings and expressions of general authorities, no matter how intended, tend to become canonized by various elements of the church community, the First Presidency continued the proscription against publication of the Roberts manuscript. In 1933 both Roberts and Talmage died. The essence of their philosophical legacy was continued by Apostles Widtsoe and Merrill. Apostle Smith, in the immediately ensuing years, also completed a manuscript of book-length, which outlined his objections to evolutionary concepts, and once again drove home his commitment to many of the basic concepts of nineteenth-century theologians—

not drawing such concepts from them, of course, but arriving at essentially the same position by a similar, strongly literalistic interpretation of the scriptures. The record indicates that his manuscript was subjected

to the same publication injunction as that of Roberts.86 Widtsoe and Merrill, not sharing the views of Elder Smith in these matters, also acted as damping forces on overly literalistic interpretation. Their deaths

in 1952 marked the end of an era.

    Apostle Smith began an open exposition of his views on April 22,

1953, in a speech at Brigham Young University entitled "The Origin of


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     somewhere, something should be said by one or more of us to make plain that the Church does not

refuse to recognize the discoveries and demonstrations of science, especially in relation to the

subject at issue. President Anthony W. Ivins, of the First Presidency, presided at the Tabernacle

meeting, and three members of the Council of the Twelve were present—Elders George F. Richards,

Joseph Fielding Smith and Richard R. Lyman. Of course, Elder Smith, and in fact all of us, recognize

that my address was in some important respects opposed to his published remarks, but the other

brethren named, including President Ivins, expressed their tentative approval of what I had said.

     I am very grateful that my address has come under a very thorough consideration, and I may

say investigation, by the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve. The discussions throughout

as relating to the matter have been forceful but in every respect friendly, and the majority of

the Twelve have been in favor of the publication of the address from the time they first took it

under consideration. I have hoped and fervently prayed that the brethren would be rightly guided

in reaching a decision, and, as the Lord knows my heart, I have had no personal desire for triumph

or victory in the matter, but have hoped that the address would be published or suppressed as

would be for the best. The issue is now closed, the address is in print. ("Personal Journal of James

Edward Talmage," 29:68-69, under date of 21 Nov. 1931. Cf. also the comments under dates of 9

Aug., 5,16, and 17 Nov. 1931, all in vol. 29.

     86. While considerable evidence verifying this account is already available in the public

record, the primary documentation lies in confidential interviews conducted by the author

with persons closely associated with this matter.

     The title of the Roberts manuscript, still unpublished, is "The Truth, The Way, The

Life: An Elementary Treatise on Theology." Consisting of nearly 600 manuscript pages, it

was considered by Roberts to be "the most important work that I have yet contributed to

the Church, the six-volumed Comprehensive History of the Church not omitted" (letter of

9 Feb. 1931 to the First Presidency). Though it is in many critical ways contrapositive to the

theology championed by Elder Smith, the reader should not infer that it is an acceptance or

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Man."87 His speech to the June 1953 MIA Conference88 continued the same theme: scriptural literalism on scientific matters, coupled with a virtually complete disregard for scientific data. A rapid though minor

updating of his book manuscript followed, and it was apparently again submitted for publication. Although it was not approved, he pushed ahead with its publication, and by mid-1954 it was made available to the

public under the title, Man His Origin and Destiny?9

     The work marks a milestone. For the first time in Mormon history, and capping a full half-century of publication of Mormon books on science and religion, Mormonism had a book that was openly antagonistic

to much of science.90 The long-standing concern of past church presidents was quickly realized: The book was hailed by many as an authoritative church statement which immediately locked Mormonism into direct

confrontation with science and sparked a wave of religious fundamentalism that shows little sign of abatement. Others, mindful of the embarrassment which other Christian churches had suffered on issues

of science, and fearful of the consequences for their own church if the new stance was widely adopted, openly expressed their consternation.

     The president of the church, David O. McKay, was a giant of tolerance; the differences in philosophy (within the church framework) between the book's author and himself could hardly have been more

disparate. Yet a president's actions are essentially authoritative; one tends to act cautiously in such a position, and a public settling of issues was apparently not acceptable to him. While there is no formal record available of the deliberations involved, the ensuing reactions indicate a low-key, indirect, and peace-making response, at least as far as public utterances are concerned.

     Apostle Smith vigorously presented his basic thesis to the seminary and institute teachers of the church, assembled in their periodic summer


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     87. Joseph Fielding Smith, "The Origin of Man," 22 Apr. 1953, published by Brigham

Young University Extension Division, 6 pp.

     88. Joseph Fielding Smith, "Entangle Not Yourselves in Sin," speech of 12 June 1953,

Era 56:646f, Sept. 1953.

     89. Joseph Fielding Smith, Man, His Origin and Destiny (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book

Co., 1954).

     90. So far as I am aware, the first book in Mormonism that can really be said to be directed

to a discussion of science and religion is Scientific Aspects of Mormonism, by Nels L.

Nelson (New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1904). Others followed sporadically over the years,

by Widtsoe, Nelson, Pack, and Merrill. All of these, while not preaching a scientific humanism

or anything of the sort, exhibit a deep recognition of the validity of scientific knowledge.

Man, His Origin and Destiny is a clean break with that long tradition, opting as it does

for schism rather than synthesis.



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training session at Brigham Young University, on June 28,1954.91 Exactly nine days later, President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., second counselor in the First Presidency and a veteran of over twenty years' service in the presidency, delivered (by invitation) his speech "When are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?" His message was clear and hard-hitting, and has no peer in Mormon literature.

    Emphasizing that only the president of the church may declare doctrine, give interpretation of scripture, "or change in any way the existing doctrines of the Church," he proceeded to an examination of the scriptural

affirmation that whatever the holders of the priesthood speak "when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture."92 He readily acknowledged that the scripture applied with special force upon the general

authorities, but that:


They must act and teach subject to the over-all power and authority of the

President of the Church. . . .Sometimes in the past they have spoken "out of

turn," so to speak. . . .


    There have been rare occasions when even the President of the Church in his preaching and teaching has not been "moved upon by the Holy Ghost." You will recall the Prophet Joseph declared that a prophet is not always a prophet. . . . . . .even the President of the Church, himself, may not always be "moved upon by the Holy Ghost," when he addresses the people. This has happened about matters of doctrine (usually of a highly speculative character) where subsequent Presidents of the Church and the peoples themselves have felt that in declaring the doctrine, the announcer was not "moved upon by the Holy Ghost."

     How shall the Church know...? The Church will know by the testimony of the Holy Ghost in the body of the members; . . .and in due time that knowledge will be made manifest.. . .93

    President Clark continued to hammer this concept home, referring to accounts in the New Testament of doctrinal differences among the apostles, relating the concept to our own day, reiterating continually that

. . .even the President of the Church has not always spoken under the direction of the Holy Ghost, for a prophet is not always a prophet. . in our own Church, leaders have differed in view from the first.

.. .not always may the words of a prophet be taken as a prophecy or revelation.

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     91. Joseph Fielding Smith, speech of 28 June 1954, published in the Church News, 24

July 1954, under the caption "Discusses Organic Evolution Opposed to Divine Revelation."

     92. Cf. ref. 5.

     93. Cf. ref. 6. Words in parentheses, grammatical errors, etc. are in the original.



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     In his final paragraphs, he moved from the position of trying to define what is scripture to identifying what is not scripture, emphasizing that when any one other than the president of the church attempts to proclaim any new doctrine, etc., unless acting specifically under the president's direction, the church may know that the utterances are not scripture. His final expository paragraph reads:


     When any man, except the President of the Church, undertakes to proclaim one unsettled doctrine, as among two or more doctrines in dispute, as the settled doctrine of the Church, we may know that he is not "moved upon by the Holy Ghost," unless he is acting under the authority of the President.

     Such teachings, to say the least, were not characteristic of what was usually taught over the pulpit. There was no mention in the sermon of any specific contemporary teachings to which these principles were to be

applied, but there also was left no doubt that they were to be applied. President McKay himself avoided any direct public statement on the matter. His closest approach to public commentary came from his beginning-

of-the-school-year speech to the BYU faculty, September 17, 1954.94 He handled therein various categories of knowledge, and touched briefly upon the matter of science and religion. He averred that it is a

"stern fact of life" that all living things obey fixed laws of nature and divine commands. He referred to the creation of man thusly: "When the Creator 'breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,' (and never mind

when it was), 'and man became a living soul' God gave him the power of choice." In his closing sentence, he felt moved to .. .bless you [the faculty] with wisdom to know the truth as it is given by revealed

word in the authorized books of the Church, bless you with the power to discern between truth and error as given by individual

    However, this public response by the First Presidency obviously would not satisfy the questions in the minds of many members. Over the years, there seems to have been an almost constant stream of inquiries,

both written and oral, concerning the doctrinal soundness of Apostle Smith's book and similar teachings. The response from the First Presidency has been a consistent: an avowal that the church has taken no official

position on the matter of evolution and related subjects, that it has made no official statement on the subject, that the book in question is neither "authorized" by the church nor "published by" the church, that it

"is not approved by the Church," and that it contains only the author's


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     94. David O. McKay, "Some Fundamental Objectives of a Church University," Church

News, 25 Sept. 1954, 2f.



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personal views. On occasion the inquirer was sent two documents: the 1909 statement by the First Presidency, and the 1931 speech by Talmage, with the admonition that the entire matter should be dealt with by "suspending judgment as long as may be necessary" until the complete truth should be perceived.95                 Throughout all such communications ran the sentiment of tolerance, open-mindedness, and a dedication to final truth. Even those who sought the First Presidency's evaluation of materials to be used in their teachings got no further response.

      So here, it seems, the matter rests, as far as authoritative statements are concerned. There has been no further official response, and it would appear that none is forthcoming. Rather lengthy explanations by past

First Presidencies (among the materials mentioned, ref. 95) indicate that since such authoritative statements must be applicable to future developments as well as to the current state of knowledge, it is deemed wisest

to let the matter rest without further development.

     Authoritative statements concerning scientific matters seem neither necessary nor desirable, even if the knowledge to make them did exist, and it seems clear that it does not. Effective arguments can be marshaled

to support the point that such pronouncements, necessarily restrictive in their nature, would stifle the very experience that life is supposed to provide; they would be inimical to the very roots of the process of "evolving into a God." The 1931 First Presidency's observation that these matters do not directly relate to "salvation" is astute as well as practical. Those who argue against evolution, for instance, do so usually from the proclaimed motivation that the concept is inimical to religion, that it leads necessarily to atheism and associated evils. This position is tenuous at best. Cases where such a process is alleged to have occurred appear to be far more often the result of the intense conflict and polarization between popular expressions of theology and biology, rather than the result of the concept of evolution -per se. Darwin perceived that his views bore no necessary antagonism to religion,96 and a non-LDS commentator recognized

that fact in the following expression: Evolution, if rightly understood, has no theological or antitheological influ-


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     95. I have photostatic copies in my files of several of these inquiries and responses,

and know of additional oral discussions of the matter. Before his death, Pres. McKay gave

formal permission for the publication of at least one of the written responses. It is not

deemed appropriate here to anticipate that publication in excessive detail.

     96. As expressed in the Conclusion to The Origin:"! see no good reason why the views

given in this volume should shock the religious feelings of any one." Although Darwin,

once a candidate for the ministry, came to feel that the entire question of rational evidence

for design and/or the existence of God was "insoluble," he was clear that religious commitment

was a matter separate and distinct from belief or disbelief in either evolution or

natural selection.



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ence whatever. What is evolution? It is not an entity. It is a mode of creation. It leaves the whole field of Christian faith where and as it found it. Its believers and advocates may be theists, pantheists, or atheists. The causes of these radically different religious views cannot be sought in the one theory. They are to be found elsewhere.97

     There are too many devout religious evolutionists to argue defensibly that a belief in evolution per se, stripped of the "either God or evolution" polemics, leads to religious deterioration. Indeed, there are many

both within the church and without who will argue from personal experience that the concept of evolution can have precisely the opposite effect: a deepening of religious sentiment and spirituality due to the recognition

that God is a God of law, of order, of rational behavior, rather than a deity of mystery, of transcendent and capricious whims. At the same time, there can be no denying the fact that the intense polemics of the

theology-biology debate has polarized people into opposite camps detrimental to the cause of both. In our day and time, we do not need further schism; what the world is crying for is synthesis. People have been driven to opposite extremes in this matter because of respective truths that they found in whatever position they finally choose. Is it not time to recognize that each camp has truth, and try to take the best from both?

     Mormonism is committed to the concept of a lawful, loving, orderly deity to whom capriciousness and deceit are anathema. The concept that God works through universal law, that he is God because of his obedience to and operation within the framework of such law, is fundamental.

     This gives Mormonism a basis for synthesis that exists in few if any other Western religions; it cannot be ignored with impunity. Mormonism's view that truth can be obtained empirically or pragmatically98 must also

be kept constantly in mind; God speaks in more ways than just scripture

or open revelation.

     It would appear that teachers in the church cannot be honest in their teachings if they present only one point of view as the position of the church. Whoso among them picks just one position from among the

many articulated on these matters by church leaders becomes guilty of teaching a part-truth, and witnesses immediately that he "is not moved upon by the Holy Ghost." And will not students who permit such teaching

without clarifying the matter be equally guilty of perpetuating parttruths? It would seem high time that we insist on a greater honesty and


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     97. W. R. Thompson, Catholic World 34 (1882): 692.

     98. Cf. Wendell O. Rich, Distinctive Teachings of the Restoration, ch. 7, "The Nature of

Truth" (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1962). The First Presidency's straightforward

statement: "That which is demonstrated, we accept with joy" (Deseret News, 17 Dec. 1910,

part 1, p. 3), can be coupled with dozens of further references.



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scholarship in our gospel discussions; we owe future generations far better teaching than the current ones have been getting. In these respects, it is encouraging to note that the current Gospel Doctrine manual," which deals directly with the creation scriptures from both the Bible and modern scripture, steers deliberately clear of any interpretational hang-ups. It propounds with Brigham Young that the critical message is not what method was used in Creation, but that God was responsible for Creation.

     Above all, it would appear that teachers should grow beyond pushing their own views or those of their favorite general authority, to embark on a quest for truth rather than an indoctrination of one-sided dogma. Perhaps the sentiments of Apostle John Taylor are relevant:


I do not want to be frightened about hell-fire, pitchforks, and serpents, nor to be scared to death with hobgoblins and ghosts, nor anything of the kind that is got up to scare the ignorant; but I want truth, intelligence, and something that will bear investigation. I want to probe things to the bottom and to find out the truth if there is any way to find it out.100


Furthermore:


.. .[O]ur religion.. .embraces every principle of truth and intelligence pertaining to us as moral, intellectual, mortal and immortal beings, pertaining to this world and the world that is to come. We are open to truth of every kind, no matter whence it comes, where it originates, or who believes in it. . . .

     A man in search of truth has no peculiar system to sustain, no peculiar dogma to defend or theory to uphold; he embraces all truth, and that truth, like the sun in the firmament, shines forth and spreads its effulgent rays over all creation, and if men will divest themselves of bias and prejudice, and prayerfully and conscientiously search after truth, they will find it wherever they turn their attention.101


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     99. In the Beginning, Gospel Doctrine Course Teacher's Supplement (1972, Corporation of

the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Deseret News Press).

     100. JD 11:317 (1867).

101. JD 16:369-70 (1874).

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This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: every oblation of theirs, every meat offering of theirs, and every sin offering of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.



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Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.



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But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.



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Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.



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And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins.



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Shall not their cattle and their substance and every beast of theirs be ours? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us.



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Violence is risen up into a rod of wickedness: none of them shall remain, nor of their multitude, nor of any of theirs: neither shall there be wailing for them.



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Which the children of Aaron, being of the families of the Kohathites, who were of the children of Levi, had: for theirs was the first lot.



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For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.



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Now these are their dwelling places throughout their castles in their coasts, of the sons of Aaron, of the families of the Kohathites: for theirs was the lot.



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And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benjamin's mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.



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The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.



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They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.



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And the messenger that went to call Micaiah spake to him, saying, Behold, the words of the prophets declare good to the king with one assent; let thy word therefore, I pray thee, be like one of theirs, and speak thou good.



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Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah, and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, mine, or theirs.



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Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.



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And the whole assembly took counsel to keep other seven days: and they kept otherseven days with gladness.



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And one wing of the other cherub was five cubits, reaching to the wall of the house: and the other wing was five cubits also, joining to the wing of the other cherub.



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And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.



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No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.



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No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.



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And the children of Benjamin went out against the people, and were drawn away from the city; and they began to smite of the people, and kill, as at other times, in the highways, of which one goeth up to the house of God, and the other to Gibeah in the field, about thirty men of Israel.



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And two other rings of gold thou shalt make, and shalt put them on the two sides of the ephod underneath, toward the forepart thereof, over against the other coupling thereof, above the curious girdle of the ephod.



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Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the otherstone, according to their birth.



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And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.



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And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.



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And Joab the son of Zeruiah, and the servants of David, went out, and met together by the pool of Gibeon: and they sat down, the one on the one side of the pool, and the other on the other side of the pool.



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The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;



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But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.



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And between the passages, by which Jonathan sought to go over unto the Philistines' garrison, there was a sharp rock on the one side, and a sharp rock on the other side: and the name of the one was Bozez, and the name of the other Seneh.



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Thou shalt have no other gods before me.



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And the wings of the cherubims were twenty cubits long: one wing of the one cherub was five cubits, reaching to the wall of the house: and the other wing was likewise five cubits, reaching to the wing of the other cherub.



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Thou shalt have none other gods before me.



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And when the men of Israel that were on the other side of the valley, and they that were on the other side Jordan, saw that the men of Israel fled, and that Saul and his sons were dead, they forsook the cities, and fled; and the Philistines came and dwelt in them.



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And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house.



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I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.



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And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.



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Presents, a Life with a Plan. My name is Karen Anastasia Placek, I am the author of this Google Blog. This is the story of my journey, a quest to understanding more than myself. The title of my first blog delivered more than a million views!! The title is its work as "The Secret of the Universe is Choice!; know decision" will be the next global slogan. Placed on T-shirts, Jackets, Sweatshirts, it really doesn't matter, 'cause a picture with my slogan is worth more than a thousand words, it's worth??.......Know Conversation!!!

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Presents, a Life with a Plan. My name is Karen Anastasia Placek, I am the author of this Google Blog. This is the story of my journey, a quest to understanding more than myself. The title of my first blog delivered more than a million views!! The title is its work as "The Secret of the Universe is Choice!; know decision" will be the next global slogan. Placed on T-shirts, Jackets, Sweatshirts, it really doesn't matter, 'cause a picture with my slogan is worth more than a thousand words, it's worth??.......Know Conversation!!!

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